The lack of movement, anticipation, voice and intelligence in this team. Its like they've all had a lobotomy.
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Management Relegation
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They really, really need to step up now. Crystal Palace at home one of the biggest games I can remember the club facing for all the wrong reasons.
It's a massive game for us.
It's a massive game for us.
Haven't been this worried since 2003/04. And to add to that the financial implications relegation would have with our interest only mortgage on the stadium and £300m still owed on mosfly crap player purchases.
I fear this is more an existential threat than just a fight for Premier League survival.
I fear this is more an existential threat than just a fight for Premier League survival.
Who owns the stadium and who owes the mortgage money? THFC or ENIC?
Knowing those leaches its probably them that own the stadium and Spurs saddled with the debt.
Shit just got real for me. Did not think it was possible.
The player morale is terrible.
Can we blame the manager again, again? Not sure.
Players need to show some pride and gumption.
The player morale is terrible.
Can we blame the manager again, again? Not sure.
Players need to show some pride and gumption.
And a great rant at that.
Small tweak though. We wer'nt warned, they were. They being the circus running the club.
We as fans almost unanimously have been shouting the warnings as loud and from as far as we could. None of this shit we are in is a surprise to any of us because we've seen one bad decision over another happen in real-time without needing Captain Hindsight.
This is all on the board and I'd quite happily bring back flogging and the stocks for them as half-time entertainment next season. That will make me buy a season ticket again.
Pretty much.
The stadium is actually registered as a separate PLC
TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR STADIUM LIMITED overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK
There's absolutely nothing to stop them selling the club and leasing back the stadium if they could find a buyer foolish enough to comply
ENIC essentially own the stadium. Tottenham Hotspur football club is paying for it.
The stadium debt is tiny though. Something like £30m a year in repayments. Even in the Championship, we'd have more revenue than lots of PL clubs. We're not in risk of going bust or anything close to that
Personally, I’d love both those teams to go down because it would ( almost certainly ) ensure that we don’t.
(It really has come to this ) .
Nah, this has nothing to do with managers. Frank was never the right fit, but the main problem is those players. The only reason we weren’t in a relegation battle last season is because the teams that came up were so shit. To do that in two seasons with 3 different managers shows you where the problem lies.
I’m not discounting the part ENIC and Levy have played in all this, but those players are the main reason we are where we are. They’re toxic shitebags with zero pride, fight or accountability. They’d sooner point the finger at the fans and go mouthing off to journalists anonymously about how bad the manager was than look themselves in the mirror and see where the blame lies.
West Ham got 12 points in the last ten games. That’s what I am looking at when I say I don’t think it is unrealistic they may get 9 points in the next ten. They look like they believe they will stay up and want to.
Forest got 8 points in the last ten games. I am less sure how much belief they have. But I’m worried because even half that return in the next ten games may be a problem for us. As you say, 5 or 6 points for us is likely to be enough. But based on the fact we got 4 points from the last ten games and our form suggests we wont match that in the next ten it is difficult to see us getting those 5 or 6 points.
As shocking as it is if something drastic doesn’t change we are probably going down based on everyone’s recent and current form.
Pray we survive this season, then we need to rip out the rot and first and chief among that is ENIC.
Survive first.
I don't know if being on such a poor run is good on the basis that it has to end at some point soon, or whether it's so bad that it's just not going to change. I hope it's the former.
Agree about ripping out the rot. I also think ENIC either sack the CEO and Lange instantly and commit to investing 300 million pounds on players, on top of any money that comes in from player sales.
Personally if we stay up I think ENIC need to sell-up.
There is just too much energy spent on the ownership and not enough on supporting the players and what they are aiming to do..
Apparently it's fairly common to do that with assets as big as that, as its risk mitigation. They could sell it and lease it back to the club, but that's very unlikely. No one is going to buy the club without the stadium, it would be a multi billion £ operation in today's world.
But ENIC be doing ENIC tings, innit.
I think we’re on the same page if not the same paragraph. I am genuinely terrified of the prospect of going down and it’s a very real possibility.
I am just not as convinced as a lot on here that those around us are going to scoop up points so easily.
Plenty of huge clubs / sports franchises don’t own the stadiums / arenas they play in .
I’ve always predicted that ENIC will one day sell the Club and then rent them the stadium .
You can bookmark this if you wish to prove me wrong .
If they do that, I'll not be in a rush to gloat to anyone bud. I'm just numb to it all now. I'm forcing myself to care at this stage.
This run was obvious and I was calling it out after the Burnley game - 4 points max from the run up to Liverpool.
Lose to Palace on Thursday and its curtains - if we can’t beat them, bearing in mind Guehi is gone and their best remaining defender will be suspended, they don’t score loads and lost to Macclesfield a few weeks back - then who will we beat?
Beat Palace and that probably give us the lift needed to beat Forest a couple of weeks later - win both and that’s us safe.
We are in dire straits though, Chelsea A, Villa A, Liverpool A, Wolves A (bogey side) Sunderland A - if I was being optimistic, 1 point.
Palace, Forest, Brighton, Leeds, Everton - terrifying to think we might have to win 3 of those
Lose to Palace on Thursday and its curtains - if we can’t beat them, bearing in mind Guehi is gone and their best remaining defender will be suspended, they don’t score loads and lost to Macclesfield a few weeks back - then who will we beat?
Beat Palace and that probably give us the lift needed to beat Forest a couple of weeks later - win both and that’s us safe.
We are in dire straits though, Chelsea A, Villa A, Liverpool A, Wolves A (bogey side) Sunderland A - if I was being optimistic, 1 point.
Palace, Forest, Brighton, Leeds, Everton - terrifying to think we might have to win 3 of those
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