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Management Relegation

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Do you think we'll stay up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 184 40.1%

  • No

    Votes: 275 59.9%
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Papafeels said:
I come from the North of Ireland. No, he helped get them to what would be the equivalent of a QF. Not close to winning one.

Great player though. How cousin is one of my mum's buddies I've seen him from the car when I was a kid ha
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I did say “ nearly “ and “ could have “ .

And TBF it’ll be a long time before we see NI beat Spain in their home World Cup and be a game away from the semi-finals . Football’s ultimately about Glory and doing things with Style , as another famous NI player once observed , PF . *

Read the below , if you still have any doubts ;

www.bbc.com

World Cup: How Northern Ireland caused a shock at Spain 1982

In 1982 Northern Ireland beat hosts Spain and came within a game of a semi-final appearance.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

* That NI side wasn’t the most stylish , I grant you ; but they were incredibly effective. And Gerry Francis was there to score the goals .
 
Guy From The Lane said:
Right so I've been having arguments with some people who's line of argumentation is this :-

'I want Spurs to be relegated because it will force the owners to sell'

This is one of the most flawed arguments I've ever heard - if you hear this argument use these dialectics to pretty much own them because they no response except 'but it's how feel'
  • The Hidden Assumption - Assumes inevitability of sale (unsupported)
  • Incentive Contradiction - Ignores economic incentive structure.
  • Means–End Risk Problem - Accepts certain damage for uncertain outcome.
  • Emotional vs Rational Position - Conflates emotional satisfaction with rational strategy.
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They're not going to sell and asset for under market value sadly. If they refused to discuss offers in the summer when there were interested parties around the £3-4bn mark (whether the guy had the backing or not, we'll never know), so they won't sell up this summer for vastly less.

Best chance is getting through this season intact, the kids realise they don't have the expertise or funds or make this their little passion project, and sell up with Stavely waiting in the wings.

Even then, wishful thinking. They're here to stay unless fans force them out. But that's showed no sign of happening over the last decade.
 
John Duncan said:
I did say “ nearly “ and “ could have “ .

And TBF it’ll be a long time before we see NI beat Spain in their home World Cup and be a game away from the semi-finals . Football’s ultimately about Glory and doing things with Style , as another famous NI player once observed , PF . *

Read the below , if you still have any doubts ;

www.bbc.com

World Cup: How Northern Ireland caused a shock at Spain 1982

In 1982 Northern Ireland beat hosts Spain and came within a game of a semi-final appearance.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

* That NI side wasn’t the most stylish , I grant you ; but they were incredibly effective. And Gerry Francis was there to score the goals .
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Feckin Spain. They broke my heart in 2002 when they beat the Republic on penalties. And had Keane not been such a wanker, who knows. I consider myself Irish, I wouldn't really pay too much attention to Norn Iron but they have had some greats down the years, no doubt.
 
triggerspurs said:
I mean, you'd think it's standard. But under Vinai and Lange they'd probably get a payrise to keep them at the club.
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Knowing our man Dan ; they’ll all be “ verbal agreements “ anyway . His attritional negotiating techniques would have had the hardest and most ruthless football agents begging for a way to get out of the room .

As a side note : for fans of counterfactual history, imagine what would have happened if DL could have gone back in time and negotiated the Versailles Treaty , or any other Treaty for that matter .
 
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Guy From The Lane said:
Right so I've been having arguments with some people who's line of argumentation is this :-

'I want Spurs to be relegated because it will force the owners to sell'

This is one of the most flawed arguments I've ever heard - if you hear this argument use these dialectics to pretty much own them because they no response except 'but it's how feel'
  • The Hidden Assumption - Assumes inevitability of sale (unsupported)
  • Incentive Contradiction - Ignores economic incentive structure.
  • Means–End Risk Problem - Accepts certain damage for uncertain outcome.
  • Emotional vs Rational Position - Conflates emotional satisfaction with rational strategy.
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I think that argument has long been proven to be utter nonsense

The latest one is “ If we go down it will force them to act like a football club , set up a proper scouting plan , use the youth as it’s a sensible route etc , as they will feel the pain of lost revenue & the worth of THFC as a whole as if we don’t go down they’ll remain in the comfort zone of PL income in tv rights , sponsors etc “ this is slightly more plausible as it will hit them with the only thing that they care about.

I still don’t want it to happen though as I hope the real fear being close to relegation makes them wake the fuck up
 
John Duncan said:
Knowing our man Dan ; they;Kk all be “ verbal agreements “ anyway . His attritional negotiating techniques would have had the hardest and most ruthless football agents begging for a way to get out of the room .

As a side note : I for fans of counterfactual history, imagine what would have happened if DL could have gone back in time and negotiated the Versailles Treaty , or any other Treaty for that matter .
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That's a great thought ha
 
Guy From The Lane said:
Right so I've been having arguments with some people who's line of argumentation is this :-

'I want Spurs to be relegated because it will force the owners to sell'

This is one of the most flawed arguments I've ever heard - if you hear this argument use these dialectics to pretty much own them because they have no response except 'but it's how feel'
  • The Hidden Assumption - Assumes inevitability of sale (unsupported)
  • Incentive Contradiction - Ignores economic incentive structure.
  • Means–End Risk Problem - Accepts certain damage for uncertain outcome.
  • Emotional vs Rational Position - Conflates emotional satisfaction with rational strategy.
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I believe the football side of the business is being run down on purpose under Enic, for whatever reason I'm not certain.
I just feel Tottenham Hotspur's future is very precarious under Enic and hope we get new owners very soon otherwise the football team will just become a total sideshow
 
“Hate watching” our relegation rivals (ugh) and its eye opening how much more intent they play with.

Watch the movement, intensity, and progressive passing in this Leeds-Sunderland game.

Incredible to say it, but a different level.
Spurs look in slow motion in comparison.
 
KentuckyHotSpur said:
“Hate watching” our relegation rivals (ugh) and its eye opening how much more intent they play with.

Watch the movement, intensity, and progressive passing in this Leeds-Sunderland game.

Incredible to say it, but a different level.
Spurs look in slow motion in comparison.
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Unfortunately this isn’t even a recent downturn for us. We have looked a level below for an entire calendar year.

We picked up a lot of points at the beginning of the campaign but there were many who kept pointing out the ominous signs. We have been bailed out by flashes of brilliance all season long. Overhead kicks galore.
 
Furball man said:
I think that argument has long been proven to be utter nonsense

The latest one is “ If we go down it will force them to act like a football club , set up a proper scouting plan , use the youth as it’s a sensible route etc , as they will feel the pain of lost revenue & the worth of THFC as a whole as if we don’t go down they’ll remain in the comfort zone of PL income in tv rights , sponsors etc “ this is slightly more plausible as it will hit them with the only thing that they care about.

I still don’t want it to happen though as I hope the real fear being close to relegation makes them wake the fuck up
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OK the one core flaw in that argument is the assumption of relegation causes competence though...

Essentially to counter that the question isn't “Would going down force them to act like a football club?”

It's “Do you trust them to run a Championship rebuild?” Because the argument really hinges on trust — if you do trust them, then I can’t find a flaw as it becomes more about judgment and ‘vibes’ than something you can prove or disprove & historical precedent can only guide us, not dictate it. I can argue that in the past ENIC really haven't showed that in the past BUT I don't want to slip into historical determinism cos that in itself is a flawed argument - I like to stay consisted in my dialectics.
 
Some of us dont care whether ENIC sell or not

Some of us just want to see us get relegated because it’s what ENIC fucking deserve. They are parasites that have had nothing but contempt for the native Spurs fans for years. Even our relegation “fight” is sterile and corporate thats how boring theyve made us. A massive club like Spurs fighting relegation and you’d think we were safe in the top half of the table and no one really cares and they bring in some suit and tie board member guy from the back arse of nowhere as manager.

Good luck paying off that £1Billion stadium in the championship with no PL tv revenue and a half empty stadium. Knowing them they may well fold Tottenham as a club if they found out a permanent music venue was more profitable.

ENIC or no ENIC, Spurs will survive. But the ENIC project is well and truly over.
 
On the shelf said:
I believe the football side of the business is being run down on purpose under Enic, for whatever reason I'm not certain.
I just feel Tottenham Hotspur's future is very precarious under Enic and hope we get new owners very soon otherwise the football team will just become a total sideshow
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I’ve got a horrible feeling that ENIC saw how much money the Arse made by converting Highbury into luxury flats ; that they’re hoping to pull the same stunt at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium ( before it gets listed by English Heritage obvs ) .
 
Guy From The Lane said:
OK the one core flaw in that argument is the assumption of relegation causes competence though...

Essentially to counter that the question isn't “Would going down force them to act like a football club?”

It's “Do you trust them to run a Championship rebuild?” Because the argument really hinges on trust — if you do trust them, then I can’t find a flaw as it becomes more about judgment and ‘vibes’ than something you can prove or disprove & historical precedent can only guide us, not dictate it. I can argue that in the past ENIC really haven't showed that in the past BUT I don't want to slip into historical determinism cos that in itself is a flawed argument - I like to stay consisted in my dialectics.
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They’d have little choice really , unless they were happy with wiping £2b off its value & sell up

I don’t trust them in any aspect of football , stay up or go down , it’ll be a shitshow
 
Furball man said:
They’d have little choice really , unless they were happy with wiping £2b off its value & sell up

I don’t trust them in any aspect of football , stay up or go down , it’ll be a shitshow
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*cough cough* Leicester
*cough* Charlton
*sneeze* Luton
*farts* Huddersfield

I personally have fukk all trust in those cunts to keep us from completely imploding...
 
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