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The undeniable argument, however, is that it is ultimately "The Lewis Family" who have been here for 25 years refusing to put any funding (of any significant merit) into the club. Joe Lewis has been out of the picture for at least 3 years, coming up to 4 years (he handed it over in 2022).

Very few sentiments seem to recognise this.
It's pretty unclear exactly when and why and to what degree Joe faded out of the picture. There have been reports that he's in ill health and not really capable of managing his own affairs at this point but who knows.

I do largely agree though that "The Lewis Family"'s unwillingness to properly fund the club's operations to date has merit as an indication of its likely future behavior despite the change in leadership, that's fair enough.

Daniel Levy, Viv Lewis or the Sultan of Brunei would have a hell of a job on their hands this summer though, the situation is decaying rapidly.
 
I mean there can be no dispute that there are new people.

The Lewis heirs, Vinai, Charrington, however power is actually allocated at the club now, none of the parties involved had any involvement or influence over the club's operation whatsoever until at the absolute earliest October 2022 and were not in any meaningful way controlling the club until the day Levy was sacked.

Is it a new era? Is this a project whose ambitions are sporting rather than strictly financial now? Other than cynical puffery transparently pushed out through friendly journalists we have little reason to believe that, and unlike Levy, for whatever his mountain of faults, these new people in charge have no experience, no expertise and no credibility.

It is very different in the sense of Daniel Levy's 25 years of leadership no longer being immediately relevant to our analysis of the club's leadership and its current performance. But when the ninth richest club on earth is staring down the shotgun barrel of relegation, the question of leadership performance rather answers itself.
The strongest argument that there are 'new people' and it's not the same ENIC of old is very simple:

They sacked Levy.

Uncle Joe would've never done that were he still the main man. Levy was doing just fine filling the coffers and Joe clearly didn't give a solitary fuck about the football. He would've been happy to let Levy keep things chugging along.

Whether the 'new' lot are going to truly spend big and show ambition is unclear and they may well be just as unambitious as Joe/Levy, but it's patently not just business as usual at ENIC.
 
Update from everyone's favorite ITK Trix on SC

"The Lewis's have committed to invest in both the squad and wages, but it's been a disaster of a changeover. Levy controlled and micromanaged everything, far more than the Lewis's understood when they thought removing him removed the bulk of the problem. They believed once he was gone the shackles would be taken off those below him and they'd work better because of it. They now find that those left behind post Levy are not up to task either, so when the guy that was pulling so many strings gets removed those strings stop being pulled and there's nothing left holding things up. He was so involved in everything over the years and he spread himself thinner and thinner trying to do more and more himself at our cost. Those now in charge are not experienced or knowledgeable enough to give any real assistance to those that are left behind, which is why we find ourselves where we are. To say it's been a steep learning curve is an understatement, which is why they are using outside recruiters to make appointments now.

From what I'm told and fwiw, they understand a lack of investment has been a major problem on the pitch and are still very committed to the investment they have been promising. A good DOF and an aligned manager could see this thing turn around quite quickly with money to back them and a free reign to spend it. The wrong choice see's us spiral even further.



PS, I still think it will be MP as manager should we survive the drop."
 
Update from everyone's favorite ITK Trix on SC

"The Lewis's have committed to invest in both the squad and wages, but it's been a disaster of a changeover. Levy controlled and micromanaged everything, far more than the Lewis's understood when they thought removing him removed the bulk of the problem. They believed once he was gone the shackles would be taken off those below him and they'd work better because of it. They now find that those left behind post Levy are not up to task either, so when the guy that was pulling so many strings gets removed those strings stop being pulled and there's nothing left holding things up. He was so involved in everything over the years and he spread himself thinner and thinner trying to do more and more himself at our cost. Those now in charge are not experienced or knowledgeable enough to give any real assistance to those that are left behind, which is why we find ourselves where we are. To say it's been a steep learning curve is an understatement, which is why they are using outside recruiters to make appointments now.

From what I'm told and fwiw, they understand a lack of investment has been a major problem on the pitch and are still very committed to the investment they have been promising. A good DOF and an aligned manager could see this thing turn around quite quickly with money to back them and a free reign to spend it. The wrong choice see's us spiral even further.



PS, I still think it will be MP as manager should we survive the drop."

LOL

Trix is one of the biggest liars out there - his word is worth less than nothing. Cannot believe how much he is still grifting over there
 
Does anyone know what the actual value of the football operations = ? The squad value and anything actually club related. Could someone buy out just the football club or is it a case of buy it all or buy nothing ?

Can only assume if they are saying buy it all, they must have a rationale for keep on with something they are pretty shit at, in order to keep doing what they are good at ?
You can buy and sell whatever the two parties want. If you mean the players, the registered club, and (say) lease the training ground and stadium, then yes it's possible. Though I don't think very attractive to a buyer.
 
Update from everyone's favorite ITK Trix on SC

"The Lewis's have committed to invest in both the squad and wages, but it's been a disaster of a changeover. Levy controlled and micromanaged everything, far more than the Lewis's understood when they thought removing him removed the bulk of the problem. They believed once he was gone the shackles would be taken off those below him and they'd work better because of it. They now find that those left behind post Levy are not up to task either, so when the guy that was pulling so many strings gets removed those strings stop being pulled and there's nothing left holding things up. He was so involved in everything over the years and he spread himself thinner and thinner trying to do more and more himself at our cost. Those now in charge are not experienced or knowledgeable enough to give any real assistance to those that are left behind, which is why we find ourselves where we are. To say it's been a steep learning curve is an understatement, which is why they are using outside recruiters to make appointments now.

From what I'm told and fwiw, they understand a lack of investment has been a major problem on the pitch and are still very committed to the investment they have been promising. A good DOF and an aligned manager could see this thing turn around quite quickly with money to back them and a free reign to spend it. The wrong choice see's us spiral even further.



PS, I still think it will be MP as manager should we survive the drop."
Explains quite a lot.
But doesn't explain why they only spent £13m in January when it was fucking obvious our squad was a crippled, under invested mess on its knees
 
Explains quite a lot.
But doesn't explain why they only spent £13m in January when it was fucking obvious our squad was a crippled, under invested mess on its knees

Yes, that is the point - Trix is a grafter who works in cahoots with the SC team to get 'donations' by providing 'insider info'


He used to praise Levy quite a bit.

Obviously, you are going to agree with anything he says that aligns with your way of thinking, as you are quite weak-minded about such things.... but it seems as if some common sense is creeping in - so at least well done for trying to be objective!
 
Explains quite a lot.
But doesn't explain why they only spent £13m in January when it was fucking obvious our squad was a crippled, under invested mess on its knees

I doesn't really though

The fuckers put Vinai Venkatesham (sp?) in place and are now deflecting that blame onto the excuse of "we didn't know Levy did so much". They've put two very experienced people in after ensuring Levy's man Paratici was nudged out, and added an entire boardroom of their own people, so the idea that suddenly it's all gone to pieces for that reason is such blatant propaganda.

otherwise "we didn't realise we could just sack a long-term executive chairman without replacing him" is just showing that they are the exact kind of people they are blaming it on ("those left behind post Levy are not up to task")
 
Yes, that is the point - Trix is a grafter who works in cahoots with the SC team to get 'donations' by providing 'insider info'


He used to praise Levy quite a bit.

Obviously, you are going to agree with anything he says that aligns with your way of thinking, as you are quite weak-minded about such things.... but it seems as if some common sense is creeping in - so at least well done for trying to be objective!
*Grifter
 
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It's a "little bit funny" that certain prevalent posters are yet to vote
There probably ain't any left now Matt. Or very, few.

I thing the loudest voices who ran their mouths off shouting us down for years are probably 'ENIC out' on the inside......, but won't vote because of the embarrassing humiliation of being so wrong, for so long on something they were so passionate about.

I kind of understand, I guess
 
Whether the 'new' lot are going to truly spend big and show ambition is unclear and they may well be just as unambitious as Joe/Levy, but it's patently not just business as usual at ENIC.
True enough, but I don't think that's a sufficient argument for our deference and patience.

That said I do think it's a matter of let's just focus on staying up for now, and deal with whatever fallout come May.
 
Yes, that is the point - Trix is a grafter who works in cahoots with the SC team to get 'donations' by providing 'insider info'


He used to praise Levy quite a bit.

Obviously, you are going to agree with anything he says that aligns with your way of thinking, as you are quite weak-minded about such things.... but it seems as if some common sense is creeping in - so at least well done for trying to be objective!
If he'd said
Levy was an innocent victim of the Lewis cartel and fought tooth and nail for 25 yearsbto loosen the restraints and act like a big club......
You'd be all over it like a fly over shit you fucking cuck 😆
 
If he'd said
Levy was an innocent victim of the Lewis cartel and fought tooth and nail for 25 yearsbto loosen the restraints and act like a big club......
You'd be all over it like a fly over shit you fucking cuck 😆

No, lol I wouldn't

You have no idea about me - I don't believe any ITK regardless of whether it confirms my bias -

I am sure, however, the lads at SC would be glad for your donations so they can feed you more of the stuff you want to hear.
 
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