What about at Notting Forest then mate
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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To be honest it was the best thing I've seen all seasonYeah weren't great that was it
And a good manager would have played to the strengths of the squad.
Ange didn't
Frank didn't
Igor didn't
And they all failed.
Saying you want to play attacking football, is completely different from actually being able to get a team to play attacking football.
All I saw under Ange for two years was a team slowly regressing and being unable to string two passes together without them giving the ball away.
Ange could talk the talk, but he was a legless fat blob when it come to the walking part.
That piece of silverware, doesn't cover up how shit we had become...
Finishing 17th was the real story of the season for me.
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It’s like those “ alternative versions of history “ books that are very popular.
What if Napoleon had won the Battle of Waterloo or if Adolf Hitler had been killed in WW1 etc ; I guess we’ll never know for sure .
lols such a massive misconception that, Pep nor Klopp did that when they came to the league - some do, some don't, that's not a rule it has to be like that.
If we had anything about us we would have gone hell for leather in that Summer 2024 window and given him some players that could actually play his style, not at least actually buying some good players so if he was sacked then the next coach would get something out of them...but we're Spurs and we don't do that at Spurs.
I'm here to bring healing and enlightenment to the Spurs fanbase.
I'm on a mission from God.
Let’s hope it doesn’t turn into an almighty car crash .
And that was all on Levy.
Yet still, despite that, Ange should have adapted to what we had, especially during the injury crisis, he didn't, he doubled down.
Ange was his own worse enemy.
Yeah that was his major flaw IMO
All academic anyway, this debate started when we said that the football last night is very much like Ange ball and it's his final form if he had the players to pull it off, we hired him and didn't even attempt to shape the squad to his liking, shame that.
Depends on what you call failure. There are clubs who consider not winning a trophy a failed season. Clubs who are winners. By that measure you'd have a list of failed Spurs managers as long as your arm.
Completely agree.
And he did the same again at Forest.
For me that answered the main question I had about him: what is his ceiling? And unfortunately his bloody-mindedness lowered his ceiling.
He kept saying "Playing like this has got me where I am, so I'm not changing a thing". What he was ignorant of was the competence and resources of the opposition is much higher at this level.
It was first apparent at Celtic-in the league they gave up chances but the opposition weren't good enough to make them pay. In Europe it was different- Celtic got picked off by more clinical opposition. He put it down to his players simply not being good enough.
And he still does.
When you accept to be shit for 4 seasons you can bet we won't play European competitions to attract the star players, a manager like Ange need for his game...
Europe doesn't attract top players, money does.
Most managers need time regardless, not sure Ange would have needed 4 years mind you.
We had basically enough evidence it would have never worked. Blame it on the management, that they don't provide the best players, but thats were we at and thats what our manager has to work with and get results with.
Well we don't though do we, a Summer transfer window of 3 kids when it was abundantly clear what we needed in the Summer, once again a Tottenham manager has been setup to fail, we shouldn't be surprised.
We didn't even need the best players, we just needed players that fit the system and the right profile fits and we didn't even get anywhere near that and that's a major factor as to why we are in this position now.
I think there is truth in it and still a manager needs to be able to work with what he has. The club has tried once to give the manager what he wanted, so Poch ended up with Lo Celso, Sessegnon and Ndombele...hooray.
You don't have to go to an extreme of giving a manager exactly what they want though do you...getting the profiles correct is the thing the club should be doing and at least recruiting players to play in positions of need, Lange ended up buying 3 kids, 2 of them we had an abundance of the same type of player in those positions.
Still there's no hard and fast rule to management, everyone has their own philosophy - as I said Kompany didn't adapt to his players, got Burnley relegated and ended up at Bayern, Pep and Klopp also didn't adapt to their players, they both were backed and the rest is history.