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Player Cristian Romero

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He's been with us five seasons and has 6 reds in all comps. This problem is overstated.

I would argue that his play style of riding that line brings indiscipline in the opponents as well, results in bookings for them at times an intemperate play which is not to their benefit. The edge that Romero has is important. We need players to be more aggressive on balance.

And for a player who has a reputation for being booked every week, he's only got 4 reds in the league for Spurs, despite being a marked man according to most. One could read that as him knowing how to play on a yellow, which is critical for a first choice CB.


Our best defenders in my lifetime supporting Spurs have been about positioning, organizing and leading by example - the aggression thing is bollox IMHO
 
Why are people so keen to sell Romero?

Look at the top teams in the league, they have 3-4 good choices at CB.

If we keep Vusokovic out on loan again (which I think we should, ideally to a prem team), then Romero, Van De Ven, Senesi and Danso would be good.

Honest question.
And deserves honest answer.

Because he is a bad apple. He is absolutely rotten.
Fish starts to rot from the head... and having a captain that lets the whole team down consistently is a major and monumental fuckup.

Of course we do need few very good CBs. No one is arguing with that statement.
Issue is - Romero is not very good CB. And he is currently a captain that has led the team to shocking results. So he is responsible and should be flushed down the toilet. Fairly simple in my eyes.
 
Wondering how you come to this conclusion?

Romero pretty much only featured in the League up until Match Day 11. At which point we were doing fine in the table and our underlying metrics both for xG and xGA were excellent. Not sure he was personally responsible for some of the bigger errors we had in that early part of the season (Brighton collapse etc..) - but maybe he was? Maybe you could refresh my memory.

Romero played 18 games in the PL; scored 1 goal and 1 assist. Had ZERO Red Cards and 3 yellows. Before he was injured we were doing fine in the League - obviously we completely collapsed when he and most of our defence were out for 3 months.

When he returned to fitness he played mainly in the Europa League where he was named Player of the Tournament and won the MOM in the Final which, of course, was the best moment for Spurs in 40 years.

So... that seems to me to indicate a fairly good season cruelled by injury. Maybe your memory is playing tricks on you?

I know he was around for more of the better results last season but I don't agree with some that our performances only went off a cliff when the injury crisis hit. Our performances were average at best all last season (and some of the season before) even when we were winning and I include Romero in that.

Our performances in the EL were also largely awful. That final was one of the worst games I've had to sit through, two terrible teams playing terribly. Glad we won but not an advert for good football.
 
Our best defenders in my lifetime supporting Spurs have been about positioning, organizing and leading by example - the aggression thing is bollox IMHO

Exactly. Ledley king was never sent off in over 350 games, only ever got booked 9 or 10 times in all of that (averaging less than 1 booking per season). Once went 8 games or so without even committing a foul.

"aggression" is an excuse for poor temperament
 
Our best defenders in my lifetime supporting Spurs have been about positioning, organizing and leading by example - the aggression thing is bollox IMHO
There's more than one way to be a good defender.

There are Roy Keanes and there are Beckenbauers. There's a Sergio Ramos and there's a van Dijk. Stuart Pearce and King Ledley.

Each individually were great but you need a balance of personality types.
 
Exactly. Ledley king was never sent off in over 350 games, only ever got booked 9 or 10 times in all of that (averaging less than 1 booking per season). Once went 8 games or so without even committing a foul.

"aggression" is an excuse for poor temperament
Alderweireld as well has some crazy stats, 83 fouls committed across 200 appearances in the PL. Romero has 32 just this season.
 
How many games have we won this year with KD in the team vs Romero -

Pretty easy to work out methinks using your method 😀

I'm not sure what your point here is? But to clarify I wasn't suggesting that it's a choice between Romero or Danso but, rather, that if we sell Romero we should be looking to sign another 1st choice CB - not just replacing him with Big Kev who - while an excellent back up - is not first choice quality for the team we supposedly want to aspire too*.

Edit: *see also: Senesi.
 
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There's more than one way to be a good defender.

There are Roy Keanes and there are Beckenbauers. There's a Sergio Ramos and there's a van Dijk. Stuart Pearce and King Ledley.

Each individually were great but you need a balance of personality types.

First and foremost, defending is all about positioning, timing, and making good decisions - a bit of aggression when channelled appropriately can be a plus, but Romero is inconsistent in all of those aforementioned categories.
 
I know he was around for more of the better results last season but I don't agree with some that our performances only went off a cliff when the injury crisis hit. Our performances were average at best all last season (and some of the season before) even when we were winning and I include Romero in that.

You might not agree with it but it's literally a reverse Hockey Stick on a graph if you chart our results and metrics post Vic's injury in Match Day 12 of that season. 🤷‍♂️

Before those injuries our Metrics were excellent and our results perfectly fine (when compared to last 6 years and, especially, the the latest one)

Our performances in the EL were also largely awful. That final was one of the worst games I've had to sit through, two terrible teams playing terribly. Glad we won but not an advert for good football.

It may have not been aesthetically pleasing for you but the topic at hand was Christian Romero's form in season 24/25 which you described as "bang average and erratic". When Romero returned to fitness he played in 6 Europa League games in which we conceded only 3 goals. He won both Player of the Tournament and MOM in the Final.

I think that's slightly better than "bang average" 🤷‍♂️
 
First and foremost, defending is all about positioning, timing, and making good decisions - a bit of aggression when channelled appropriately can be a plus, but Romero is inconsistent in all of those aforementioned categories.
Romero is one of the most polarizing players we have had, and no one is going to be convinced to change their minds about him at this point.

But reality of our situation is that if Romero goes we won't replace him with someone near his level. We have never sold a good player and replaced him with one who is his equal, we will get a cheaper replacement whom they think is just good enough, that has ALWAYS been the pattern.

We'll get another Danso and another parade of excuses about needing to sell to buy and the club having other priorities that need attention.

Even if you don't rate Romero, nothing good will come from his departure.
 
Alderweireld as well has some crazy stats, 83 fouls committed across 200 appearances in the PL. Romero has 32 just this season.

exactly. we need a good defence, not a political cheerleader who (rightly or wrongly in his ultimate point) blames the club when he's turning up to half of the games in a season and jogging around.

Both romero and micky have absolutely disappeared as soon as we got under pressure
 
I'd have Danso.

Romero always has that rush of blood to the head in him, making him unreliable.
Cost us so badly earlier in the season multiple times.

Icing on the cake for me, was our hard man enforcer, our captain, crying like a baby in front of his teammates and fans when he got latest injury, when there was still a match to be played.
Roy Keane he ain't... Fkin premadonna.
Forgot about the crying. Aye, big black mark there.
 
But why only 2 games?

Why wouldn't you look a run of 28 games since the Leeds game for example?
Cause over this period our record is significantly worse whenever he is starting.

Since then we have won 1 game with him
And 3 without him.

That is substantial period already.

And it is not like he did not play vs weaker teams. He played full game when we lost to Nottingham Forest 0:3 FOR TWO times. He was captaining when we lost to West Ham. As was he when we drew to Burnley.

As I said - for me captain role is more than some nice forward passing and making some strong tackles. It is about being consistent role model. Which he has not been. And results without such captain have been better in that awful run of results. You might not like it. But that is actually and factually backed with avg point-per-game ratio.
Why two games, is pretty much my original argument. There was a stupid cunt on here posting that the last two matches were evidence enough that we are better without Romero. I pointed out he was a stupid cunt, because two games is no evidence of anything.
 
But reality of our situation is that if Romero goes we won't replace him with someone near his level. We have never sold a good player and replaced him with one who is his equal, we will get a cheaper replacement whom they think is just good enough, that has ALWAYS been the pattern.

Does this mean Gary Doherty was better than Romero, Toby, Kaboul?

We have been on a downward spiral in talent since letting the Ginger Pele go???
 
Romero is one of the most polarizing players we have had, and no one is going to be convinced to change their minds about him at this point.

But reality of our situation is that if Romero goes we won't replace him with someone near his level. We have never sold a good player and replaced him with one who is his equal, we will get a cheaper replacement whom they think is just good enough, that has ALWAYS been the pattern.

We'll get another Danso and another parade of excuses about needing to sell to buy and the club having other priorities that need attention.

Even if you don't rate Romero, nothing good will come from his departure.

lol ok mate - forgetting we actually bought Romero in the first place....

Jesus - another anti-enic only lens poster
 
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