Manager Ange Postecoglou

[CJJ]

None of these managers finished 5th either

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Mourinho didn't finish higher than Sherwood in the league. Means fuck all really, doesn't it? We went from top 6 finished to being a relegation club, finishing 17th at best, under this direction.

No manager in our PL era has ever finished lower in the league. Says all there is to say.

 

[Shadydan]

Mourinho didn't finish higher than Sherwood in the league. Means fuck all really, doesn't it? We went from top 6 finished to being a relegation club, finishing 17th at best, under this direction.

No manager in our PL era has ever finished lower in the league. Says all there is to say.

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Depends on what agenda you're trying to push, if you say league placings are important to you which they clearly are than Sherwood finishing above Jose should mean something to you as well, not sure you can have it both ways, suggest you pick an argument.

Here's another fun fact no manager in the Premier League era has won such a prestigious trophy as the EL so there's that...

 

[CJJ]

Depends on what agenda you're trying to push, if you say league placings are important to you which they clearly are than Sherwood finishing above Jose should mean something to you as well, not sure you can have it both ways, suggest you pick an argument.

Here's another fun fact no manager in the Premier League era has won such a prestigious trophy as the EL so there's that...

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I'm saying that momentum isn't the marker - in an array of season, we've shown that it's hard to undo momentum in one. It's not like we've had exclusively excellent managers from Santini onwards - we had progression and momentum. Even with your Ramos types (note: also "cup winner" but shit manager in the league) we've never plummeted down the table.
Same is seen, to a lesser extent, with Slot. Picks up Klopps serial winning team, gets a title, season 2 he does his own tweaks and deconstructs the momentum.

The fact of the matter is that no manager in the PL era has ever really taken the Europa League seriously - you have to duck out of the CL at an early stage to qualify, or finish outside of the CL seasons. There's a small amount of our seasos that applies to. Then, the motivation of winning it - which, to all the clubs, is about CL qualification, which is only a recent addition.

I don't buy that Redknapp or Poch would have struggled to win it, should they have been motivated to, but it would have been a lot easier for them to have done so with only 2nd tier entrants to it in the last couple of seasons, and the motivation of CL qualy. It would have actually have been a brilliant focus on Poch's part to win a trophy and be able to get CL - because he knew the club needed that funding to push forwards - instead of having to finish in the top 4, which is much much harder.


Here's the big issue that I'm sure none of you cheerleading it will want to address - if he lost the EL final, would you still be saying he is some mega manager? Do you really think the 24/25 season was acceptable for league performances?

 

[Shadydan]

I'm saying that momentum isn't the marker - in an array of season, we've shown that it's hard to undo momentum in one. It's not like we've had exclusively excellent managers from Santini onwards - we had progression and momentum. Even with your Ramos types (note: also "cup winner" but shit manager in the league) we've never plummeted down the table.
Same is seen, to a lesser extent, with Slot. Picks up Klopps serial winning team, gets a title, season 2 he does his own tweaks and deconstructs the momentum.

The fact of the matter is that no manager in the PL era has ever really taken the Europa League seriously - you have to duck out of the CL at an early stage to qualify, or finish outside of the CL seasons. There's a small amount of our seasos that applies to. Then, the motivation of winning it - which, to all the clubs, is about CL qualification, which is only a recent addition.

I don't buy that Redknapp or Poch would have struggled to win it, should they have been motivated to, but it would have been a lot easier for them to have done so with only 2nd tier entrants to it in the last couple of seasons, and the motivation of CL qualy. It would have actually have been a brilliant focus on Poch's part to win a trophy and be able to get CL - because he knew the club needed that funding to push forwards - instead of having to finish in the top 4, which is much much harder.


Here's the big issue that I'm sure none of you cheerleading it will want to address - if he lost the EL final, would you still be saying he is some mega manager? Do you really think the 24/25 season was acceptable for league performances?

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Well that's not true Poch picked a strong team against Gent when they kicked us out, Jose picked our strongest team against Zagreb as well, Redknapp is the only manager to play a weak side to focus on CL football which has always been the club's priority but seeing as the EL now gives you CL football then Redknapp may have gone for it who knows...question remains whether he would have won it though.

I'll address your rather pointless question and the answer is obviously not but history only remembers winners and you should know that winning at this football club is incredibly difficult and he got us over the line in that therefore it's an achievement and seeing as you mentioned Redknapp and Poch he achieved something they couldn't do which is get over the line in numerous competitions with better players, no amount of speculation and supposition will change that.

As for the momentum argument well we haven't kicked on this season in fact we've got a whole lot worse, tells you the issue isn't just the manager and in fact Ange overachieved by actually winning a trophy because at the moment I don't see us getting anywhere near to where we were last season, do you?

 

[CJJ]

Well that's not true Poch picked a strong team against Gent when they kicked us out, Jose picked our strongest team against Zagreb as well, Redknapp is the only manager to play a weak side to focus on CL football which has always been the club's priority but seeing as the EL now gives you CL football then Redknapp may have gone for it who knows...question remains whether he would have won it though.

I'll address your rather pointless question and the answer is obviously not but history only remembers winners and you should know that winning at this football club is incredibly difficult and he got us over the line in that therefore it's an achievement and seeing as you mentioned Redknapp and Poch he achieved something they couldn't do which is get over the line in numerous competitions with better players, no amount of speculation and supposition will change that.

As for the momentum argument well we haven't kicked on this season in fact we've got a whole lot worse, tells you the issue isn't just the manager and in fact Ange overachieved by actually winning a trophy because at the moment I don't see us getting anywhere near to where we were last season, do you?

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This season was almost a mirror image to the last season - european form as a dichotomy to league form included.

You could easily argue we were one really crap, if not blatantly cheated, Atletico pitch away from being nearer another European trophy, but replacing Frank with Tudor was a moronic decision we could surely see coming a mile off (at least, I noted it at a time) where that contributed. Let's not lack credibility here and suggest that the CL is anywhere near the same difficulty to win as the EL, but based on how the EL has gone this season and how we performed in the CL this season, I would expect us to have got to the final quite comfortably this season (if we were in the EL instead) - and that's with a manager who was well out of his depth at this level.

The fact is, we haven't got worse at all this season - it's pretty much exactly the same. In fact, only 1 point is required from the final 3 to get exactly match the points tally, and it's not possible to lose as many games. The only difference really is a lesser competition we weren't eligible for, and the way you're looking at it.

The sheer fact that anyone can even contemplate last season's PL results as anything but the trough of our PL era is a huge problem. 1ppg and 22 losses is an outrage, no matter what glitter you trying and spread on it

 

[Phomesy]

One of the problems with Derangers - apart from the fact they almost got us relegated - is that they're such crushing bores.

I mean come on, guys. If you're going to be wrong about everything at least be entertaining and funny ffs.

 

[Shadydan]

This season was almost a mirror image to the last season - european form as a dichotomy to league form included.

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Let's deal in facts not supposition, we won a European trophy last season and got to a Semi Final in another comp, so far in either cup competition we haven't got anywhere near. The league has been practically a mirror image but last season the underlying numbers were better, the performances were better, more high points etc...

Frank and to a much lesser extent didn't even have the excuse of throwing the league to focus on a cup campaign

You could easily argue we were one really crap, if not blatantly cheated, Atletico pitch away from being nearer another European trophy, but replacing Frank with Tudor was a moronic decision we could surely see coming a mile off (at least, I noted it at a time) where that contributed. Let's not lack credibility here and suggest that the CL is anywhere near the same difficulty to win as the EL, but based on how the EL has gone this season and how we performed in the CL this season, I would expect us to have got to the final quite comfortably this season (if we were in it)- and that's with a manager who was well out of his depth at this level.

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You can easily argue all you wish, the fact is we didn't get past an average Atletico team and even if we did get past them I'm not sure I'd describe having to play Barca, Woolwich then PSG anywhere near winning the CL somehow, that's quite the reach.

I wouldn't trust either Frank or Tudor to navigate us to winning the EL because why would they be able to, neither have any experience of winning anything.

The fact is, we haven't got worse at all this season - it's pretty much exactly the same. In fact, only 1 point is required from the final 3 to get exactly match the points tally, and it's not possible to lose as many games. The only difference really is a lesser competition we weren't eligible for, and the way you're looking at it.

The sheer fact that anyone can even contemplate last season's PL results as anything but the trough of our PL era is a huge problem. 1ppg and 22 losses is an outrage, no matter what glitter you trying and spread on it

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Yeah but you're doing that classic thing of comparing points tallies across different seasons, it lacks context.

Ange deserved to get sacked by the way by the Prem campaign alone but I find it hilarious how despite you lot keep going on about his 17th placed finish and keep repeating the buzz word of 22 losses, you don't keep the same energy of winning a major trophy and finishing 5th, why is that?

 

[CJJ]

Ange deserved to get sacked by the way by the Prem campaign alone but I find it hilarious how despite you lot keep going on about his 17th placed finish and keep repeating the buzz word of 22 losses, you don't keep the same energy of winning a major trophy and finishing 5th, why is that?

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The same reason why we don't say poch finished 2nd and reached a CL final




The fact you guys keep trying to combine independent events from different timeframes to trumpet the guys ability is a self-evidencing issue

 

[Shadydan]

The same reason why we don't say poch finished 2nd and reached a CL final




The fact you guys keep trying to combine independent events from different timeframes to trumpet the guys ability is a self-evidencing issue

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You don't but you're in a very small minority of Spurs fans, I'm not sure what 'we' you're speaking for.

I think both sides are just as guilty of that if I'm honest, although history always favours the winners

 

[Phomesy]

Lol all Spurs fans talked about for the entirety of the 2020's was that Poch got us to 2nd and a CL Final. And rightly so - it was the best period for Spurs fans in modern memory. And ever since a majority have been pining for him to return.

Postecoglou gave us a fucking Trophy that will exist in the history books forever. And hardly anyone wants him to come back. What's weird is Derangers being angry and bitter about an accomplishment that should bring them happiness.

 

[Shadydan]

Lol all Spurs fans talked about for the entirety of the 2020's was that Poch got us to 2nd and a CL Final. And rightly so - it was the best period for Spurs fans in modern memory. And ever since a majority have been pining for him to return.

Postecoglou gave us a fucking Trophy that will exist in the history books forever. And hardly anyone wants him to come back. What's weird is Derangers being angry and bitter about an accomplishment that should bring them happiness.

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People just can’t get past his personality, confidence and aura. I genuinely wish people would just admit that instead of constantly pushing narratives that end up getting debunked over and over again - vast majority of the criticism feels more emotional than football based at this point.

 

[Aphex]

De Zerbi is not taking anything from Angeball ffs/ Get a grip.

De Zerbi has his own style and system which is miles ahead of Ange, which was a disaster. Trying to make out RDZ will take anything from Ange is demented, and something you'd only see from a cultist.

I notice one person in particular keeps bringing up RDZ's quote about get us playing like Ange. It's taking it far too literally. He's just trying to remind this group of players, that they can win games and play well. And that frame of reference for them is Ange's first 10 games, and a small random isolated group of performances after that. There is nothing more to it than that. He was clever in doing so. As quite clearly Frank and Tudor's tenures were a complete disaster, and going back before Ange to Conte is pointless for the majority of the squad who didn't play under him.

Some people are trying to make out like RDZ is in thrall of Ange's football. It's nonsense. RDZ's is leagues above Ange in every way. If there is any respect, it will be that Ange tries to play the right way, it's just a shame he was hopelessly naive and is doesn't translate to consistently winning football in the PL.

 

[Aphex]

Lol all Spurs fans talked about for the entirety of the 2020's was that Poch got us to 2nd and a CL Final. And rightly so - it was the best period for Spurs fans in modern memory. And ever since a majority have been pining for him to return.

Postecoglou gave us a fucking Trophy that will exist in the history books forever. And hardly anyone wants him to come back. What's weird is Derangers being angry and bitter about an accomplishment that should bring them happiness.

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If you can't understand why some would want Poch to return, and not Ange, that is ridiculous. The Poch years were the most enjoyable period for Spurs fans for nearly 40 years.

Ange spell was a disaster with one night of glory.

Not remotely comparable. What Ange's tenure definitely shows, is that winning second tier trophies in particular, is not the be and end all of football fandom. It's being a consistenly top side in the league, like the scum have been the last few years, and then if you do that, then the trophies will come as a product of that, as they likely will for them this season.

 

[Phomesy]

If you can't understand why some would want Poch to return, and not Ange, that is ridiculous. The Poch years were the most enjoyable period for Spurs fans for nearly 40 years.

Ange spell was a disaster with one night of glory.

Not remotely comparable. What Ange's tenure definitely shows, is that winning second tier trophies in particular, is not the be and end all of football fandom. It's being a consistenly top side in the league, like the scum have been the last few years, and then if you do that, then the trophies will come as a product of that, as they likely will for them this season.

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You're so Deranged you can't even read properly.

I said the exact opposite of the bit in bold you deranged clown

 

[Phomesy]

De Zerbi is not taking anything from Angeball ffs/ Get a grip.

De Zerbi has his own style and system which is miles ahead of Ange, which was a disaster. Trying to make out RDZ will take anything from Ange is demented, and something you'd only see from a cultist.

I notice one person in particular keeps bringing up RDZ's quote about get us playing like Ange. It's taking it far too literally. He's just trying to remind this group of players, that they can win games and play well. And that frame of reference for them is Ange's first 10 games, and a small random isolated group of performances after that. There is nothing more to it than that. He was clever in doing so. As quite clearly Frank and Tudor's tenures were a complete disaster, and going back before Ange to Conte is pointless for the majority of the squad who didn't play under him.

Some people are trying to make out like RDZ is in thrall of Ange's football. It's nonsense. RDZ's is leagues above Ange in every way. If there is any respect, it will be that Ange tries to play the right way, it's just a shame he was hopelessly naive and is doesn't translate to consistently winning football in the PL.

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From the horse's mouth.


View: https://x.com/HaytersTV/status/2042717016834953358

Please try and clear the mud De Zerbi tipped all over your addled brains before posting in this thread again

 

[Spudulike]

What is this crap.

You bought frank up because you spent your whole night reading my post history.

Fucking loser, like your boy Ange.

22 losses.

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He's still being a dick then.

I can't be bothered on here too often anymore, because of his ilk. I take my hat off to you for communicating with him still .

 

[Aphex]

You're so Deranged you can't even read properly.

I said the exact opposite of the bit in bold you deranged clown

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Explain your point then by the below, what are you actually LOLing at? If you are saying that you understand why fans want Poch back, and not Ange, well then well done for stating the fucking obvious. You deranged cultist.

Lol all Spurs fans talked about for the entirety of the 2020's was that Poch got us to 2nd and a CL Final. And rightly so - it was the best period for Spurs fans in modern memory. And ever since a majority have been pining for him to return.

Postecoglou gave us a fucking Trophy that will exist in the history books forever. And hardly anyone wants him to come back. What's weird is Derangers

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[Aphex]

From the horse's mouth.


View: https://x.com/HaytersTV/status/2042717016834953358

Please try and clear the mud De Zerbi tipped all over your addled brains before posting in this thread again

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Yes, he's doing exactly what I said he is doing in my post, he's trying to gee up the players by using a frame of reference, Ange's first 10 games. As since then, it's been total shit, including Ange's final 18 months. RDZ clearly isn't talking about 22 league defeats is he, and defeats to Ipswich and Leicester at home. If you can't understand that because your head is so far up Ange's arse, well that's your problem.

And by way, it is comical, I come into this thread for the first time in ages, to see you are still posting non stop complete shite, about how deranged everyone is for wanting Ange sacked and calling him the fraud he is. Maybe you need therapy. You clearly can't get over it, and for being so wrong about him.

Tell you what, why don't you stop posting about him and calling everyone derangers, (you sound like a child) until he gets another top job in a top league. Oh that will be a really nice long time.

I and others were right about Ange, you were wrong. We won, you lost. See you

 

[CJJ]

Explain your point then by the below, what are you actually LOLing at? If you are saying that you understand why fans want Poch back, and not Ange, well then well done for stating the fucking obvious. You deranged cultist.

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It has to be trolling

"I just can't understand why the fans don't want the guy back who turned us into West Ham, spent the majority of his time at the club losing and patronising, cupping his ear, arguing, and confronting fans."

"It makes no sense compared to the guy who had us challenging for the PL title and got us to the CL final"

 

[Aphex]

It has to be trolling

"I just can't understand why the fans don't want the guy back who turned us into West Ham, spent the majority of his time at the club losing and patronising, cupping his ear, arguing, and confronting fans."

"It makes no sense compared to the guy who had us challenging for the PL title and got us to the CL final"

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It's weird as fuck. It's hilarious to walk in here after ages and he's still going at it every day with people. His obsession with Ange and trying to rewrite history, it's like he can't accept he was sacked and he lost the argument. Ange was sacked nearly a year ago. Let's fucking move on. I am comfortable in my assessment he was one of the worst Spurs managers in history and nothing since has changed my mind, it's validated my assessment (Forest stint).

Ange will never get a top job ever again as he's a self serving fraud and the football world knows it.