Nothing the officials could do about the other 3 we scored in that game.
My general celebration to a goal from outside the box these days is to shout "rule that out you cunts"
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My general celebration to a goal from outside the box these days is to shout "rule that out you cunts"
They could have not sent soucek off though?
Well yeah, they could not-have.
But it was so painfully blatantly a red, they would have been charged with a crime if they somehow failed to give it.
And that is what it takes against us.
Gillet again eh? What a pos ref he is...
Which other team has somehow been involved in 5 goals with fouls made, been on both sides of the fence and 5 times has been done over? 4 times this season, 1 time I remember last season.
When you dig into that further, 3 real fouls committed on us - goals stand...
2 bullshit fouls we are adjudged to commit gets our legit goals disallowed.
The 2 'fouls' we committed were a clear and obvious dive by Gabriel plus our player being grabbed, held and then shoved into another opposition player. Don't forget that arrogant bastard Peter Banks screaming, yes actually screaming at our players "its a foul! end of!". Not the calm rational explanation you'd expect from a professional referee.
dudu
You seem to believe things are consistently awful for all teams, I think. So are there any other teams this season with regard to the above that have suffered that same 4 goal swing? Its irrelevant if we won the game against West Ham, always we get told we only moan because we lost... but all examples are important as it builds a picture and shows a pattern.
I think the blueprint was set second game of the season, when Trafford races out his box, kicks Kudus in the chest while handballing it outside the area, then the ball breaks to Porro who is chopped down on the edge of the box and falls inside (not a pen). 2 of the most outrageously obvious fouls, plus a handle outside the box and we did not get one free kick from them.
Oh and look who the ref was for that.. good old Peter Banks. So for Peter Banks, a professional referee... in his mind a goalkeeper can come outside his box, stop a goal scoring chance by handballing all by total accident, and also knee an opponent savagely in the chest and that is not enough for a foul.... but Gabriel getting a miniscule caress in the back then diving is actually a foul.
the waffle on this is unreal
When you dig into that further, 3 real fouls committed on us - goals stand...
2 bullshit fouls we are adjudged to commit gets our legit goals disallowed.
The 2 'fouls' we committed were a clear and obvious dive by Gabriel plus our player being grabbed, held and then shoved into another opposition player. Don't forget that arrogant bastard Peter Banks screaming, yes actually screaming at our players "its a foul! end of!". Not the calm rational explanation you'd expect from a professional referee.
dudu
You seem to believe things are consistently awful for all teams, I think. So are there any other teams this season with regard to the above that have suffered that same 4 goal swing? Its irrelevant if we won the game against West Ham, always we get told we only moan because we lost... but all examples are important as it builds a picture and shows a pattern.I think the blueprint was set second game of the season, when Trafford races out his box, kicks Kudus in the chest while handballing it outside the area, then the ball breaks to Porro who is chopped down on the edge of the box and falls inside (not a pen). 2 of the most outrageously obvious fouls, plus a handle outside the box and we did not get one free kick from them.
Oh and look who the ref was for that.. good old Peter Banks. So for Peter Banks, a professional referee... in his mind a goalkeeper can come outside his box, stop a goal scoring chance by handballing all by total accident, and also knee an opponent savagely in the chest and that is not enough for a foul.... but Gabriel getting a miniscule caress in the back then diving is actually a foul.
the waffle on this is unreal
Exactly... Just because we won, it doesn't means that descions in a game ain't biased.
It was an awful decision, so poor in fact, that calling it incompetent is off the table.
Its deliberate, if you are selecting video footage, that is avoiding the initial push on VdV in order to write off a goal.
Exactly... They are using any thing involved in a goal/penalty to rule it off, or for the opposing team.
Every two hand push on our defenders has been a goal. Any two handed contact on opposition players, even if it's not a push, the goal is ruled off for a foul, just like Muani and Woolwich.
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I think if Dudu keeps arguing against the rising evidence, he's going to have to go the same way as a few others on here, who just argue for arguing sake, not because it's right.Which other team has somehow been involved in 5 goals with fouls made, been on both sides of the fence and 5 times has been done over? 4 times this season, 1 time I remember last season.
When you dig into that further, 3 real fouls committed on us - goals stand...
2 bullshit fouls we are adjudged to commit gets our legit goals disallowed.
The 2 'fouls' we committed were a clear and obvious dive by Gabriel plus our player being grabbed, held and then shoved into another opposition player. Don't forget that arrogant bastard Peter Banks screaming, yes actually screaming at our players "its a foul! end of!". Not the calm rational explanation you'd expect from a professional referee.
I think the blueprint was set second game of the season, when Trafford races out his box, kicks Kudus in the chest while handballing it outside the area, then the ball breaks to Porro who is chopped down on the edge of the box and falls inside (not a pen). 2 of the most outrageously obvious fouls, plus a handle outside the box and we did not get one free kick from them.
Oh and look who the ref was for that.. good old Peter Banks. So for Peter Banks, a professional referee... in his mind a goalkeeper can come outside his box, stop a goal scoring chance by handballing all by total accident, and also knee an opponent savagely in the chest and that is not enough for a foul.... but Gabriel getting a miniscule caress in the back then diving is actually a foul.
the waffle on this is unreal
IE, on my ignore list.
It's good that more and more people are starting to see it and do the research into how obvious it is becoming now.
It may even, innadvertantly, find that other teams have been victims.
There are definitely other victims, but I'm not convinced there is a team suffering more than us though and so constantly.
I think you have correctly mentioned too, it's not just the big decisions it's the smaller ones that mount up. The soft cards that leave 3/4 of our defense on a yellow after 30 minutes while Brobbey is doing his best to maim us without getting proper punishment. The way every contact sometimes in periods is a foul, but we don't get freekicks for the same thing.
See approx 76:30 of Leeds game. Tanaka loses the ball fairly but throws a strop at the ref.. seconds later he gets a tiny push and freekick given, quite soft really. On 77:13 Richy gets pushed in the back with 5 times the force (if they can have a force detection meter so can I!) and no freekick. This means we are stripped of possession unfairly both times.. why is that soft contact on Tanaka a foul but 45 seconds later worse on Richy isn't? It's just weird and raises so many questions. How can the professional refs metric for fouls swing so wildly inside 45 seconds.
Richarlison got fouled half a dozen times Monday but the ref was going to give him absolutely nothing. He's a diver, so he must always dive. Right?
Yes, part of that is his own doing, but a foul is a foul.
Well yeah, they could not-have.
But it was so painfully blatantly a red, they would have been charged with a crime if they somehow failed to give it.
And that is what it takes against us.
So then not so blatant corruption or match fixing - or maybe the match fixing happened halfway through the season?
Can you point to a game where it started?
And this is where it's not fit for purpose in its current guise. Nobody can define a 'clear and obvious error' so they're looking for the slightest push or tug or something, that is by definition not 'clear and obvious'. Something such as a 2 handed push is 'clear and obvious' to one ref one week but not his pal the next week. It's a cancer on the game. I fucking detest it.
Mate - if you cant handle me having an opinion that differs to yours, that's fine - but implying that i am doing it to be argumentative is a little frustrating.
I have no seen any convincing evidence - i have seen a couple of stats that are missing a lot of context that seem suspicious but what seems to be happening from my side is that any evidence that I show that counters this narrative is completely and utterly dismissed.
So this has to work both ways.
Here is a pretty sound example of what, over the course of the season, appears to show no bias.
we have attempted over 150 more tackles than Sunderland.
They have a higher foul per attempted tackle rate a marginally lower card per foul rate and an identical card per tackle rate.
I mean, the foul per attempted tackle rate across the board is pretty consistent across all teams - statistically speaking, there are no major outliers here.
When I think of our players being branded divers or violent I get annoyed. On occasions yes, we have attempted some awful dives and been rightfully booked. Richy perhaps exaggerates contact but he doesn't seem an out and fabricator like a Trossard or Saka and more recently Gabriel is a demon of diving.
Also I think he is more than aware how we don't get fouls (Van Dyke on him no pen in most recent dippers match) hence he does sometimes overdo it. I maybe rose tinting him here but surely he ain't on a Saka level? You must be correct though that is how they view him, a diver so it's always a dive with him
We are not a dirty team by any stretch, I think we play in the right spirit. But Joelinton and Van Dyke are pure thugs yet don't have ANY bad rep. Joelinton has purposely elbowed 2 of our teenagers in the head ffs.
Romero turns every pundit and commentator absolutely crazy though. You can feel the spittle flying it's very odd.
Another example of Jared Gillet doing as much damage as he can to Spurs along with all the other mass of evidence. Our club should be hounding the PL right now about this wanker
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I'm done with this.
Cheerio
Which other team has somehow been involved in 5 goals with fouls made, been on both sides of the fence and 5 times has been done over? 4 times this season, 1 time I remember last season.
When you dig into that further, 3 real fouls committed on us - goals stand...
2 bullshit fouls we are adjudged to commit gets our legit goals disallowed.
The 2 'fouls' we committed were a clear and obvious dive by Gabriel plus our player being grabbed, held and then shoved into another opposition player. Don't forget that arrogant bastard Peter Banks screaming, yes actually screaming at our players "its a foul! end of!". Not the calm rational explanation you'd expect from a professional referee.
I think the blueprint was set second game of the season, when Trafford races out his box, kicks Kudus in the chest while handballing it outside the area, then the ball breaks to Porro who is chopped down on the edge of the box and falls inside (not a pen). 2 of the most outrageously obvious fouls, plus a handle outside the box and we did not get one free kick from them.
Oh and look who the ref was for that.. good old Peter Banks. So for Peter Banks, a professional referee... in his mind a goalkeeper can come outside his box, stop a goal scoring chance by handballing all by total accident, and also knee an opponent savagely in the chest and that is not enough for a foul.... but Gabriel getting a miniscule caress in the back then diving is actually a foul.
the waffle on this is unreal
No, I believe refereeing is inconsistent and terrible.
I believe we have had shit decisions go against us, but other teams have had shit decisions go against them too.
You cite 5 goals - not that many IMHO, but ok 5 - how many teams with a similar amount of incidents where they claim similar injustices do I need to find to satisfy you for this - I have some time later and ill take a look
Whether there is a conspiracy or not (and I tend to think not personally) - the only reason these dodgy decisions matter as much as they do and generate this much debate is because our players, previous managers, owners and corporate overlords have left us in such a fucking state that we're desperately scrabbling around for anything we can find to justify our dreadful performances.
If Richy could control a ball or RKM could shoot for shit then we would have been a couple up in the Leeds game and this whole discussion about the Maddison penalty would be much more minor (i.e. the same as any of the ones that have happened in the previous 20 years whilst we weren't at the arse end of the table fighting for our lives).
Personally, in order of blame for the current plight, ENIC, Vinai/Lange, Levy, the Players, Frank, Ange, Tudor....... the refereeing of our games.
If Richy could control a ball or RKM could shoot for shit then we would have been a couple up in the Leeds game and this whole discussion about the Maddison penalty would be much more minor (i.e. the same as any of the ones that have happened in the previous 20 years whilst we weren't at the arse end of the table fighting for our lives).
Personally, in order of blame for the current plight, ENIC, Vinai/Lange, Levy, the Players, Frank, Ange, Tudor....... the refereeing of our games.