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Player João Palhinha

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walter said:
If you're saying that without Palhinha we wouldn't have finished 17th in the league then I absolutely agree.

Without Palhinha, we'd have finished 18th or 19th instead, and been relegated.

If you honestly think Palhinha is even partly responsible for our woes this season, you need to give your head a wobble.
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Palhinha's possesses qualities his teammates lack which dragged us over the line, but he also possesses weaknesses that match everybody else's which put us at risk in the first place.

We desperately need better technical abilities on the ball and passing skill all over the pitch. That must be the absolute north star of this summer. Plus we're already over-full at that position.

I like and appreciate Palhinha, but I just can't justify signing him when I really take a cold eyed look at the squad.
 
Joao is a legend for the goals and passion over the past month of the season. Obviously the winner yesterday was big but the goal vs Wolves legitimately saved our season; we would’ve been 4 points behind the Hammers and all momentum would’ve been gone.

At the same time: you know who else was a relegation scrap legend who scored crucial goals? Richarlison in 2022, who we then paid £60m for and proved to be a colossal mistake and waste of money.

You don’t need to be so nostalgic in football. Joao is fine, but we can do better at the 6.
 
FightingIllini said:
Palhinha's possesses qualities his teammates lack which dragged us over the line, but he also possesses weaknesses that match everybody else's which put us at risk in the first place.

We desperately need better technical abilities on the ball and passing skill all over the pitch. That must be the absolute north star of this summer. Plus we're already over-full at that position.

I like and appreciate Palhinha, but I just can't justify signing him when I really take a cold eyed look at the squad.
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Horses for courses. Shouldn't be a starter but for 8 games a season you would want him starting.
 
Spaniel said:
Is it possible some people are going slightly over the top because his goal kept us up? Just a thought....
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People need to be really honest with themselves and asking which of the other 16 premier league teams does he start for.

There’s a reason the only move he’s been linked with if it’s apart from Spurs is back to Portugal.

I get it, the emotional attachment is there. His style of play appeals because that’s exactly how the average fan would be on the pitch. But £25 mil for a clearly limited 30 year old cannot be justified when the midfield needs major surgery.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
He's the sort of player you want the likes of Gray to learn from, his determination and grit, and literally not afraid to takle a raging bull.

Although skill and footballing wise, Gray will have a far higher ceiling, and with a manager who can actually coach it is looking promising.
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Like Naybet to King.
Sometimes it's worth having these types of players around for the short-term playing and the long-term gain.

The bloke is a model professional and a decent player, it would be daft not to have him next season imo.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
See: Brennan Johnson

It was also a good sale. There’s been too many non-footballers at Spurs.
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No, brennan was a poor player that scored goals. Similar to Eriksen (certainly in his last season) who would often have a bad game for us, score a goal, and then it would be seen as having "played well". Palhinha is similar to Hojbjerg who suffered with a lack of quality around him and blamed for not being good enough to mask that
 
CJJ said:
No, brennan was a poor player that scored goals. Similar to Eriksen (certainly in his last season) who would often have a bad game for us, score a goal, and then it would be seen as having "played well". Palhinha is similar to Hojbjerg who suffered with a lack of quality around him and blamed for not being good enough to mask that
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So why aren’t both wanted by better clubs?
 
lol who's he gonna pass to? Bentancur barely makes himself available to receive a ball. Richarlison can't trap. Gallagher is usually taking a more advanced position.

Palhinha actually beat the CM press against Everton at least a few times, and has shown ability to make long passes in previous games.

Given we finished 17th twice in a row now, I do not see why we are too good to keep him on.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
Naybet was a world class CB at his peak and a winner with Deportivo.
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And JP is a properly good DM, one of the best out there and while yes, he has his limitations he's an incredible role model for the likes of Gray and Bergvall to learn from
Like Davids was way past his best when we signed him but he served a purpose.

We're not buying and selling 10+ players this summer and JP is a cheap and known entity, with the sort of mentality we desperately need.
 
McFlash said:
And JP is a properly good DM, one of the best out there and while yes, he has his limitations he's an incredible role model for the likes of Gray and Bergvall to learn from
Like Davids was way past his best when we signed him but he served a purpose.

We're not buying and selling 10+ players this summer and JP is a cheap and known entity, with the sort of mentality we desperately need.
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If he’s one of the best out there, how comes there isn’t a queue full of Europes best fighting for his signature?

He could teach them how to tackle I guess (because nobody else can!), but he won’t teach them how to pass and move.

Thank you for the set pieces, but we need to move on if we’re going to progress.

We actively built the team in his style, he was the star of it - and look what happened.

And David’s and Naybet were genuinely at the top of the game (as was Llorente) .
 
CJJ said:
No, because he's been a rock all season.

Is it possible that people have a lack of appreciation for a player that has given 100% and has the 2nd highest goal contributions this season?
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I hate the hole intangibles line. Usually 99% bullshit. But Palhinha, a loan player, showed more fight and came up huge too many times to be ignored.
 
CJJ said:
No, brennan was a poor player that scored goals. Similar to Eriksen (certainly in his last season) who would often have a bad game for us, score a goal, and then it would be seen as having "played well". Palhinha is similar to Hojbjerg who suffered with a lack of quality around him and blamed for not being good enough to mask that
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Eriksen, curious comparison, and made me look it up via our AI overlords.

Statistically, Christian Eriksen was an elite playmaker during his peak years at Tottenham Hotspur (2013–2020), ranking alongside the very best creators in Europe's top five leagues based on data. [1, 2]
Creative Numbers (Chances Created & Assists)
  • Chance Creation: From his debut in September 2013 until his departure in January 2020, Eriksen created 571 chances in the Premier League—more than any other player, surpassing both Eden Hazard and Kevin De Bruyne in that span.
  • Assists: He registered 62 assists in 226 Premier League appearances for Spurs, making him the most effective assister in the league.
  • Big Chances: He produced 73 big chances, second only to Kevin De Bruyne. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Goals & Threat
  • He directly contributed to 113 goals for Tottenham (51 goals, 62 assists) in the league.
  • He was a deadly long-range threat, scoring 23 goals from outside the box during his time in London, which led the league over that period. [1, 2]
Work Rate & Availability
  • Under Mauricio Pochettino, he was highly valued for his positional intelligence and unrelenting stamina, often covering the most distance of any player on the pitch while serving as the team's primary press-initiator.
  • He boasted incredible durability, consistently playing well over 3,000 minutes per season. [1, 2, 3]
Was He Elite?
Yes. Based on expected assists (xA), chances created, and total goal involvement, the statistical consensus confirms Eriksen was an elite, world-class midfielder. While he lacked the explosive dribbling of Hazard or the sheer physical dominance of De Bruyne, his unmatched vision, set-piece delivery, and passing accuracy made him the creative engine behind Spurs' sustained top-four finishes and run to the Champions League final
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
People need to be really honest with themselves and asking which of the other 16 premier league teams does he start for.

There’s a reason the only move he’s been linked with if it’s apart from Spurs is back to Portugal.

I get it, the emotional attachment is there. His style of play appeals because that’s exactly how the average fan would be on the pitch. But £25 mil for a clearly limited 30 year old cannot be justified when the midfield needs major surgery.
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While we're being "honest".....

How many people here have said he should be a regular starter for us anyway?



And more "honesty"..... You've refused to acknowledge his upside all season and repeatedly characterised him as the reason we are shit.
 
LeeMcl said:
Eriksen, curious comparison, and made me look it up via our AI overlords.

Statistically, Christian Eriksen was an elite playmaker during his peak years at Tottenham Hotspur (2013–2020), ranking alongside the very best creators in Europe's top five leagues based on data. [1, 2]
Creative Numbers (Chances Created & Assists)
  • Chance Creation: From his debut in September 2013 until his departure in January 2020, Eriksen created 571 chances in the Premier League—more than any other player, surpassing both Eden Hazard and Kevin De Bruyne in that span.
  • Assists: He registered 62 assists in 226 Premier League appearances for Spurs, making him the most effective assister in the league.
  • Big Chances: He produced 73 big chances, second only to Kevin De Bruyne. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Goals & Threat
  • He directly contributed to 113 goals for Tottenham (51 goals, 62 assists) in the league.
  • He was a deadly long-range threat, scoring 23 goals from outside the box during his time in London, which led the league over that period. [1, 2]
Work Rate & Availability
  • Under Mauricio Pochettino, he was highly valued for his positional intelligence and unrelenting stamina, often covering the most distance of any player on the pitch while serving as the team's primary press-initiator.
  • He boasted incredible durability, consistently playing well over 3,000 minutes per season. [1, 2, 3]
Was He Elite?
Yes. Based on expected assists (xA), chances created, and total goal involvement, the statistical consensus confirms Eriksen was an elite, world-class midfielder. While he lacked the explosive dribbling of Hazard or the sheer physical dominance of De Bruyne, his unmatched vision, set-piece delivery, and passing accuracy made him the creative engine behind Spurs' sustained top-four finishes and run to the Champions League final
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