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Manager Mauricio Pochettino

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You seem to overlook the fact it was pretty much the same team that was heading towards the championship......so while your melting pot of factors theory is all good and well, I just give credit where its due and say the manager got the best of his best players, but also got the best out of his worst players and had us playing some really good football.

I give him credit as well for what he did. My only point is that his system had the structural integrity of watered-down gelatin.

Of course it wasnt all Redknapp. No manager can take all the credit, its a team effort.

When someone talks about SAF I dont hear them say "he done great....but of course you thank Beckham and Giggs too. And The board.And the coaches. And the training methods. And the era. And the synergy. It all made a soup of success"

Sammy, I know you are just trying to make a comparison, but this is a bridge too far. You are comparing a coach that had roughly 30+ years of constant winning, evolutionary systems and coaching, won pretty much everything under the sun, built almost three entirely different championship winning sides, and will go down as a coaching legend with a manager who's greatest accomplishment was to stop our bleeding and take us to the quarter finals of the CL on one occasion.

That was great and I will always have a soft spot for him because of that, but let's not go too far...
 
Sammy, I know you are just trying to make a comparison, but this is a bridge too far. You are comparing a coach that had roughly 30+ years of constant winning, evolutionary systems and coaching, won pretty much everything under the sun, built almost three entirely different championship winning sides, and will go down as a coaching legend with a manager who's greatest accomplishment was to stop our bleeding and take us to the quarter finals of the CL on one occasion.

That was great and I will always have a soft spot for him because of that, but let's not go too far...

Im not comparing the two managers.

Im pointing out that if you want to factor in everything else for one, its fair to do so for the other.
Redknapp took over a far worse situation with zero preparation, so how everything was just in the right place at the right time for him, only you can tell.
You say his greatest accomplishment was to stop our bleeding. Yet it took him one month to move us from rock bottom to mid table, and he achieved the same as Poch did in the CC in half the time and no pre season.

The next season it was 4th.

People didnt want to talk about that when they were crying about AVb not being given enough time after 18 months. And while Im a Poch backer, and want him to be given his entire contract and not a day less, I also want to see some progression in terms of our football and position, so no, in two years, if we are still treading water (in those terms) I wont be all zen about it.

A lot of people think Harry was a clown.
Well, Im afraid, its him who has set the benchmark for our PL era, and he did it in his first full season.

If we are not matching that any time soon, we are going backwards, and while Poch has improved many things, and is doing a very good job, I am still going to be critical when I see things that just make zero sense to me, and IMO, are hindering us THIS season.

Im sure Harry would have loved to come to Spurs in November and sign players. He couldnt...he still managed to instantly pick out and fix our biggest issues until he could get his DM in January with what he had though.
 
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Im not comparing the two managers.

Im pointing out that if you want to factor in everything else for one, its fair to do so for the other.
Redknapp took over a far worse situation with zero preparation, so how everything was just in the right place at the right time for him, only you can tell.
You say his greatest accomplishment was to stop our bleeding. Yet it took him one month to move us from rock bottom to mid table, and he achieved the same as Poch did in the CC in half the time and no pre season.

The next season it was 4th.

People didnt want to talk about that when they were crying about AVb not being given enough time after 18 months. And while Im a Poch backer, and want him to be given his entire contract and not a day less, I also want to see some progression in terms of our football and position, so no, in two years, if we are still treading water (in those terms) I wont be all zen about it.

Most people think Harry was a clown.
Well, Im afraid, its him who has set the benchmark for our PL era, and he did it in his first full season.

If we are not matching that any time soon, we are going backwards, and while Poch has improved many things, and is doing a very good job, I am still going to be critical when I see things that just make zero sense to me, and IMO, are hindering us THIS season.

Im sure Harry would have loved to come to Spurs in November and sign players. He couldnt...he still managed to instantly pick out and fix our biggest issues until he could get his DM in January, with he had though.
We did spend 100 million that January for him, though. With rather mixed success from those players.

He did a decent job turning the team around. He wasn't a miracle worker though, and couldn't take the team beyond its ability.

That's the difference between the Fergies of the world and the Harrys. We shall see where Pochettino lies on that spectrum.
 
We did spend 100 million that January for him, though. With rather mixed success from those players.

Sorry. What?!
We bought Chimbonda 3M, Palacios 12M, Defoe 15M and Keane 12M

He did a decent job turning the team around. He wasn't a miracle worker though, and couldn't take the team beyond its ability.

Erm, he took Crouch, Lennon, Pienaar and Dawson to The San Siro and fucking beat Milan.
4th wasnt good enough with that team? Did you expect the title?

Fairly ironic that this converation is taking place because you think Im being too harsh on Poch...yet Redknapp underachieved in your view..
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Redknapp was the most prolific manager we've ever had god bless that man


Its funny when someone really doesnt like Harry, but have no leg to stand on when trying to belittle his achievements, so its just post a silly video or call him a theif etc (beat that rap too though, oops)

It never makes any sense to me.
Its like trying to pretend Woolwich were rubbish in 2002 because you hate them.
 
Its funny when someone really doesnt like Harry, but have no leg to stand on when trying to belittle his achievements, so its just post a silly video or call him a theif etc (beat that rap too though, oops)

It never makes any sense to me.
Its like trying to pretend Woolwich were rubbish in 2002 because you hate them.
Sammy I own a Redknapp Revolution t-shirt no joke. I'll post a pic later when I get home
 
Im not comparing the two managers.

Im pointing out that if you want to factor in everything else for one, its fair to do so for the other.
Redknapp took over a far worse situation with zero preparation, so how everything was just in the right place at the right time for him, only you can tell.
You say his greatest accomplishment was to stop our bleeding. Yet it took him one month to move us from rock bottom to mid table,
Your rose-tinted glasses are showing, Sammy. Harry got the job on October 26th and we ended off the month with a record of 1-3-6 that accounted for 6 total points. The win came on the day he was appointed manager, and we were sitting in dead last. By the end of January, we finally hit maybe the lowest position that you could reasonably call a team mid-table. We were in 14th place with a record of 6-6-12. In three months of him at the healm, we won four games, tied three, and lost six more. We weren't doing well, but there were others that did significantly worse.

As for things being there at the right place and time, Harry walked into a team that just picked up the following players that summer before he came on board:

Modric
Gomes
Pav
Corluka

We had also acquired Dos Santos and Bentley in that time as well, but they came to very little obviously. Within two months of him joining, we gained Defoe, Cudicini, Palacios, and brought back Keane. Aside from Defoe, I highly doubt that we can attribute most of those acquisitions to Redknapp considering he had been there for two months and we are well aware of Levy's positions on transfers.

As for the next summer, the only players of note (that had an impact on that season's success) was Crouch and Krancjar.

So, yes, I think it is fair to say that within one year of transfer windows, and remember he wasn't even around for the first one, he wound up with ten players that would have an impact during that successful season.

and he achieved the same as Poch did in the CC in half the time and no pre season.
And it was his system that allowed for that to happen, or the dark cloud that was Ramos was finally pushed out?

The next season it was 4th.

People didnt want to talk about that when they were crying about AVb not being given enough time after 18 months. And while Im a Poch backer, and want him to be given his entire contract and not a day less, I also want to see some progression in terms of our football and position, so no, in two years, if we are still treading water (in those terms) I wont be all zen about it.

Most people think Harry was a clown.
Well, Im afraid, its him who has set the benchmark for our PL era, and he did it in his first full season.
He helped, and did so wonderfully. What he did not do was something along the lines of what Poch is attempting to do. Build a new system, implement a new way of training, mindset, and level of fitness we haven't really seen yet. I'm a fan of Poch but we will have to see how this pans out for him, considering AVB was trying the same thing and didn't do so well. We can't take away credit from Harry but we can't overly attribute credit to him as well.
 
Your rose-tinted glasses are showing, Sammy. Harry got the job on October 26th and we ended off the month with a record of 1-3-6 that accounted for 6 total points. The win came on the day he was appointed manager, and we were sitting in dead last. By the end of January, we finally hit maybe the lowest position that you could reasonably call a team mid-table. We were in 14th place with a record of 6-6-12. In three months of him at the healm, we won four games, tied three, and lost six more. We weren't doing well, but there were others that did significantly worse.

Here's Harry's results for that first season, where we finished one place behind where we are sitting now.

26 October 2008 Bolton H 2–0 Pavlyuchenko 17' Bent 76' (pen) 35,507
29 October 2008 Woolwich A 4–4 Bentley 13', Bent 67', Jenas 89', Lennon 90+4' 60,043
1 November 2008 Liverpool H 2–1 Carragher 70' (o.g), Pavlyuchenko 90' 36,183
9 November 2008 Manchester City A 1–2 Bent 29', 64' 41,893
15 November 2008 Fulham A 2–1 Campbell 81' 25,139
23 November 2008 Blackburn H 1–0 Pavlyuchenko 9' 35,903
30 November 2008 Everton H 0–1 35,742
8 December 2008 West Ham A 0–2 King 68', O'Hara 90' 34,277
13 December 2008 Manchester United H 0–0 35,882
21 December 2008 Newcastle United A 2–1 Modrić 29' 47,982
26 December 2008 Fulham H 0–0 35,869
28 December 2008 West Brom A 2–0 26,344
11 January 2009 Wigan A 1–0 17,500
18 January 2009 Portsmouth H 1–1 Defoe 70' 36,011
27 January 2009 Stoke City H 3–1 Lennon 8', Defoe 21', Dawson 25' 36,072
31 January 2009 Bolton A 3–2 Bent 73', 75' 21,575
8 February 2009 Woolwich H 0–0 36,021
23 February 2009 Hull City A 1–2 Lennon 17', Woodgate 86' 24,742
4 March 2009 Middlesbrough H 4–0 Keane 9', Pavlyuchenko 14', Lennon 40', 79' 35,761
7 March 2009 Sunderland A 1–1 Keane 89' 37,894
15 March 2009 Aston Villa A 1–2 Jenas 5', Bent 50' 41,205
21 March 2009 Chelsea H 1–0 Modrić 50' 36,034
4 April 2009 Blackburn A 2–1 Keane 30' (pen) 21,891
11 April 2009 West Ham H 1–0 Pavlyuchenko 65' 35,969
19 April 2009 Newcastle H 1–0 Bent 24' 35,850
25 April 2009 Manchester United A 5–2 Bent 29', Modrić 32' 75,458
2 May 2009 West Brom H 1–0 Jenas 43' 35,836
9 May 2009 Everton A 0–0 36,646
16 May 2009 Manchester City H 2–1 Defoe 29', Keane 85' (pen) 36,000
24 May 2009 Liverpool A 3–1

As for things being there at the right place and time, Harry walked into a team that just picked up the following players that summer before he came on board:

Modric
Gomes
Pav
Corluka

Who had garnered 2pts from 8 games....Harry might have mentioned it. The first thing he did was put Modric in a central position instead of the left wing, in that Bolton game and we were transformed.
You name Pav, yet it was only down to Harry that we got anything at all out of him. He was fucking shit

So, yes, I think it is fair to say that within one year of transfer windows, and remember he wasn't even around for the first one, he wound up with ten players that would have an impact during that successful season.

You seem to forget, Like Sushi, that we were signing the likes of Chimbonda, Kaboul, Defoe, and Hutton.
It doesnt matter if its 10 players or a squad of 26 he got. They were average players within his reach and he got something out of them.

People slate his signings on one hand, then act like he got Ronaldo to make his job easier.

And it was his system that allowed for that to happen, or the dark cloud that was Ramos was finally pushed out?

Did the shadow of Tim leaving get us to Wembley, or did Poch?



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Sorry. What?!
We bought Chimbonda 3M, Palacios 12M, Defoe 15M and Keane 12M



Erm, he took Crouch, Lennon, Pienaar and Dawson to The San Siro and fucking beat Milan.
4th wasnt good enough with that team? Did you expect the title?

Fairly ironic that this converation is taking place because you think Im being too harsh on Poch...yet Redknapp underachieved in your view..
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With the season VdV and Adebayor had when we finished 4th after being comfortably third and actually toping the League for a while? Yes, he definitely under-achieved.

He did well in some years, but we really did have a team good enough to make a real run and he blew that one comprehensively.
 
With the season VdV and Adebayor had when we finished 4th after being comfortably third and actually toping the League for a while? Yes, he definitely under-achieved.

So you think we should have finished 3rd or higher? Id say it was Barcelona and Bayern Munich who under achieved by letting the 6th best team in England win the CL.

I do wonder what you people will say in two years if we havent got 4th yet.

Its funny that Im being made to look like the impatient one regarding Poch, but you think a lesser manager than Poch should be finishing at least 3rd, and that 4th twice in three seasons was below the teams capabilities.

And then theres me with my entitled, unrealistic demands.........and all I want is some rotation
 
Here's Harry's results for that first season, where we finished one place behind where we are sitting now.
You're missing the point. You said that within one month that Harry had us from dead last to mid-table. That isn't true. It took us three full months to move from last to 14th.

Who had garnered 2pts from 8 games....Harry might have mentioned it. The first thing he did was put Modric in a central position instead of the left wing, in that Bolton game and we were transformed.
You name Pav, yet it was only down to Harry that we got anything at all out of him. He was fucking shit
Yes, he was shit, that's why we bought him for 14MM. I name him because he did play in 36 appearances for us that first year. I'm not arguing that he was real quality for us, but he wasn't a nobody that Harry worked magic on and transformed him.

You seem to forget, Like Sushi, that we were signing the likes of Chimbonda, Kaboul, Defoe, and Hutton.
It doesnt matter if its 10 players or a squad of 26 he got. They were average players within his reach and he got something out of them.

I specifically said Defoe in my last post and also said "As for the next summer, the only players of note (that had an impact on that season's success) was Crouch and Krancjar."

Hutton came in during the 2007 season and was already in place. Kaboul only played 10 times during the second half of the 2009-2010 season and didn't play in Europe for us. This was my disclaimer that of "impact of that season's success".

People slate his signings on one hand, then act like he got Ronaldo to make his job easier.
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Did the shadow of Tim leaving get us to Wembley, or did Poch?
It was a hypothetical question and just a point to remember that sometimes teams can quickly respond wen a change is made. It can do wonders for the mentality dynamics of the team.
 
You're missing the point. You said that within one month that Harry had us from dead last to mid-table. That isn't true. It took us three full months to move from last to 14th.

Ok I over did it. What I should have said was that he improved a worse situation, far more drastically and quickly than anyone since.

Yes, he was shit, that's why we bought him for 14MM. I name him because he did play in 36 appearances for us that first year. I'm not arguing that he was real quality for us, but he wasn't a nobody that Harry worked magic on and transformed him.

I think he did transform Pav for a short while

I specifically said Defoe in my last post and also said "As for the next summer, the only players of note (that had an impact on that season's success) was Crouch and Krancjar."

Hutton came in during the 2007 season and was already in place. Kaboul only played 10 times during the second half of the 2009-2010 season and didn't play in Europe for us. This was my disclaimer that of "impact of that season's success".

Name them then. They were all still average players.

It was a hypothetical question and just a point to remember that sometimes teams can quickly respond wen a change is made. It can do wonders for the mentality dynamics of the team.

Yes. And I used it back at you regarding Tim and Poch.
 
Interesting theory.

Gomes, Huddlestone, Dawson, Palacios, Bassong, Defoe, Corluka, Crouch and Assou-Ekotto all played more than him that season.

Also Bale scored a grand total of 3 goals.... Huddlestone got 4.

Funny how when people want to belittle Redknapp, those players become regarded as top bracket, in a high quality squad, better than what we have now.
Same people couldnt fucking wait to see the back them.
 
I know they were, that's why they weren't listed, OR they weren't players of note...yet. Kaboul was one of them, so was Walker for that matter. They would feature prominently in years to come, but not during that time period.


So, yes, I think it is fair to say that within one year of transfer windows, and remember he wasn't even around for the first one, he wound up with ten players that would have an impact during that successful season.

Im going back to this. Id like to know what ten signings helped him get 4th that season.
 
Funny how when people want to belittle Redknapp, those players become regarded as top bracket, in a high quality squad, better than what we have now.
Same people couldnt fucking wait to see the back them.
At the time, some of them were better than what we had or they were an interesting prospect. Almost nobody would or actually does claim that many or any of those players are better than what we have now, but that goes for a lot of teams.
 
So you think we should have finished 3rd or higher? Id say it was Barcelona and Bayern Munich who under achieved by letting the 6th best team in England win the CL.

I do wonder what you people will say in two years if we havent got 4th yet.

Its funny that Im being made to look like the impatient one regarding Poch, but you think a lesser manager than Poch should be finishing at least 3rd, and that 4th twice in three seasons was below the teams capabilities.

And then theres me with my entitled, unrealistic demands.........and all I want is some rotation
Going by how the team was doing before Capello was fired, yes, we should have finished third. The numbers were not unsustainable.

The rotation issue is one where you want some players included who are worse healthy than our current players are when tired, Capoue and Stambouli aside, who may be out for off-pitch matters we don't know the details of.
 
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