I did mention Kane. Not overly sure his loan spells had a huge amount to do with his progression, but he’s an example, sure. As is Walker, aye. Does the ball roll much more though?
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Kane, Walker, Rose the big shouts I'd say in terms of creating really good first team players and in two of those cases, two of the best players in the leagues history in their position
So often you need to get the right loan. You could argue most of Kanes weren't the right loans but it did get him playing competitive men's football and it's a key stage of development.
Skipp and Townsend had good loans that allowed then to have Premier League careers. And in Townsends case an international career.
Seems like a few over the years then. I’m still going to die on the hill that they rarely work. Not just talking Spurs either. Maybe Chelsea did ok with their buy, loan and sell model.
Skipp
There is a real and concerning lack of proper strategic thinking behind the scenes; typified by his use, the two goalkeeping understudy and Brian Gil which genuinely worry me.
Yup, in the mix for Norwich's player of the season when they were promoted.
In a way you could also add Sarr and Udogie to the list as they stayed on loan at their original clubs before coming to us.
Udogie was loaned back, Sarr was loaned back. I think that's the best method as it maintains a level of stability for the player, who's already familiar to the loaned club in question.
Broadly; I'd agree but we did that with Clarke & Leeds and Bielsa just sidelined him cos he was no longer one of 'the family'.
Ultimately; loans are always hit and miss cos it's you only have it on trust that the other club are going to use the player as pledged.............
If Scarlett hadn't had his loan terminated by Ipswich (*) I don't think Veliz would have been loaned out.
(*We couldn't loan him back out again cos he'd already played for 2 teams in that first half of the season.)
....The cock-up was Scarlett playing in the cup game against Fulham.
On Paper; Sevilla should have been a cracking loan for the kid.
Always felt a slightly ambitious loan if he wanted serious minutes.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't their ST struggling; meaning there was potential for him to impress and rack up a solid amount of minutes?
I think they were in 16th and had a couple of forwards out injured when they agreed the move but Veliz himself was coming back from a knee ligament injury so hard to expect him to hit the ground running.
That was a really weird one - Clarke had that bizarre episode with that fit didn't he, I think that negatively impacted his progression. Bielsa doesn't strike me as the type to just sideline someone for the sake of it, particularly not for his mate Poch.
And since then Clarke has gone on to show he does have genuine quality. I'm tempted to chalk that one up to bad luck. But yes those "loan back" deals can go badly, they're not a failsafe. Naby Keita at Liverpool comes to mind.
What a waste of 6 months it's been. Feel genuinely bad for him. The irony being that with Richy's injuries and Dane not being as physically mature, Veliz would have gotten some decent minutes these last couple of months.
Apparently there's been some politics involved with their manager not using him to standoff with their board. That's why he hasn't even been on the bench a few games.
Apparently there's been some politics involved with their manager not using him to standoff with their board. That's why he hasn't even been on the bench a few games.
In Spanish newspapers, Quique Sanchez Flores has been heavily critiqued for his treatment of #Tottenham loanee Alejo Veliz.The newspaper explains that the manager, who is set to depart this summer, used Veliz to send a message to those above him.Flores has 'systematically ignored' Alejo Veliz in the last few months, using the Tottenham man as a way in which to bite back at the club's sporting management, who he's long been in disagreement with.
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Skip caned it at Norwich ; played every game ( bar the very last league fixture; broken foot ) . Won their player of the year and won a league winners medal .
Norwich supporters raved about him and felt that his absence ( once he returned to us ) was a very major factor in their , subsequent, dismal showing in the Prem .
Admittedly he’s been a bit less influential for us since he returned. But his loan at NCFC was very successful ( for them at least ) .
I get your general point though.
And please ignore completely if you meant successful for us !