Because so many have tried. Only Poch got time and the others at the first sign of trouble were out. Ange still has the fans that go to the game and the players and until he loses them he should be safe.
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Management Ange: In/Out?
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Sipping the Ange kool-aid. Pretty much any competent coach can do better than where we are right now. Our squad isn’t that bad. All of five mins ago people were excited about it.
Depth is an issue, obviously, but a new coach could easily get us playing with a lot more balance and wouldn’t just spend every week boring us with his personal philosophy in press conferences. Your job is to win football matches Ange.
Iraola spent minus 30 million this summer & lost his star CF who scored 19 league goals. TO US. They currently have 6 first team injuries. He’s taking the piss out of Ange. Against us there was only one team who looked well coached & it was the side with Kepa, Smith, Christie & Tavernier starting.
The board know fuck all about running the football side of things but any competent coach delivers better than this titanic shitshow.
It's because we have no defensive structure... There is too many moving parts, our midfielders and Fullbacks have too much ground to cover and when they do get back are gassed which will likely cause them to make mistakes and not do the simple things like track runners leaving our CBs too much to do.
You can play a high line but the press has to be spot on and not be sloppy in possession. doing it for 90 minutes is tough work. Leads to turnovers and because of our structure has massive gaps in our defensive wide areas because only 2 stay back we are constantly covering huge ground to stop opposition scoring, rinse and repeat until opposition scores because they always do.
Yeah i just can't get my head around it, I initially was willing to give him time as last season was heavily disrupted but it's clear to see he's a problem and hasn't got any real credibility to lean on.
Poch earnt his time... He adapted to get points on the board. He kept his principles but he adapted to not leave us exposed. Doing it with stop gaps he promoted like Mason and Bentelab. We had big egos at the time that he had to manage aswell. but we was never getting our pants pulled down like we have too many times under Ange.
Fair point, but Poch didn't win anything either.
I'm past caring at this point, tbh, I'm just bored to tears of the merry-go-round. All these fucking tedious armchair specialists stating so-and-so is the next big thing. "Yeah, really? Why aren't you being paid to do this analysis?". Oh yeah, coz they have no fucking idea what they're talking about. They eyeball it and guess, same as the other 99%.
Poch is the messiah/isn't good enough to take us over the top. Jose is a serial winner/dinosaur. Conte is the man/a cunt. Nuno doesn't have a clue/was better than we thought. We don't spend enough/we spend wrong. We don't have the squad/We have the squad, but not the manager. We weren't backed/backed at the right time/in the right way. Our scouting is shit, our new scouting is still shit. We want attacking football. No, not like that, more like this. No, this. back a bit, bit more.... fucking hell.
No wonder Levy doesn't give a shit.
Like them, they'll get what they're given. Ange is the man until he's out.
Should we have stuck with Nuno? Look back at the polls, I'll wager the same people calling for his blood are calling for Ange's. All I'm hearing is; "I hate it! it's all your fault!".
Nuno was shit. Nuno is shit.
Point taken, but my perspective is this: we're in the LC semis and still in a decent spot in the EL. I have zero faith Ange can win either of those. I don't have much faith that his replacement, but it's possible. 1/100 > 0/100
I think we’ll win one. Probably the LC. See you back here in a couple of months!
With Ange? Bold proclamation considering how shit we've been for 13 months solid.
Agree. However, you could say this for any area of the field. There is no method to any area. Review all the goals we scored this season (or even since he got here). Over 90% came from individual moment of genius, luck, pure player skill, opposition mistake. There is no pattern to our attack where you see players connecting with each other, knowing how to run into spaces, knowing how to see spaces. Nothing, just running forward and use your judgement. He never shouts, signals instructions, grab a player and talk to during stoppage of play. That's weird to me tbh.There is no method in our defense- it was the same story v Liverpool. EVEN when we were 4 v 3 during the 4th goal - we were still all over the place.
It was the same versus Chelsea (Enzo 's goal) - we had 11 players back in an odd formation with acres of space for chav players - look at their shape. At one stg we had players 1/2/3/4/5 trying to close down the ball carrier & still failed.
Same failure versus Brighton when the ball carrier on our LHS beat 5 players to float a cross onto Welbeck happily placed himself between 2 spurs CBs to score a header.
v Liverpool - our 3 backs are just looking at the ball -not aware/really marking the pool forwards or facing forward- they basically cannot see where the opp players are. We have 10 players back ffs - look at Mo Salah & DiaZ.
we don't need no stinking 100M strikers or buy more midfielders during the window.
There is currently no defensive coach - we need to buy one.
I said it before and will keep saying it, stop blaming the players or pointing at them. These are PROFESSIONAL players. Since they were kids they were taught how to execute the coaches tactics. They don't reach this level (at any of the top leagues) unless they proven their skill and talent. You see Bournemouth, CP, Ipswich, Nott' F, B&H players do it and we have better players than those.
I worked in IT, and had my share in big presentations, and interviews. I got to learn how to spot the real experts and knowledgeable pro from the fraud who kills you with the latest buzz words just to impress. Ange is like that. He coached in leagues where he had the best players and could bully other teams because of the gap in talent. Now in EPL, he got found and manager of other team keep pulling his pants down and stands there just like the goal post. We, as fans, shout more and show more emotions.
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If you mean by the "spurs way", the "ENIC spurs way", then you are absolutely correct.
Erm, out.
Not relating to Ange in or out, but I'm starting to think the notion of EPL being the most physical league in Europe is coming down to the incompetence of the league officials. It's feeding the narrative that being a physical league refs are letting go alot of fouls which should be called, and that in turn breeds the mentality for many lesser technical teams that being physical is more accepted here than elsewhere and also a way to gain some upper hand.
Given we need to beat the team that just fucking molested us without really trying over two matches, that’s quite the prediction.
Yeah I think it’s a decent question to ask and our teams always struggle in Europe when they can’t just foul and dominate physically because the interpretation of the laws are different.
Also, we have an issue with the interpretation of the claws from game to game because we probably have the lowest standard of officiating in Europe.
Yes, maybe so. But you have to respect this:
Those who are arguing in favour of another manager are in a tough spot by default. They're asking a purely hypothetical question (" How would X do if he got here tomorrow? " ) and answering affirmatively. Then they're trying to find pieces of evidence that can only indicate, not prove in a definitive sense, that a new manager would indeed do a better job.
A manager's past accomplishments, his fit with the squad, his current state of form etc are all indicators of how he would do if he' s put in a different situation. They can never conclusively prove anything, in the strictest sense of the term. Because they all involve extrapolation to some extent. Obviously not all arguments are equal in strength, but after all that's what they are: arguments. There's no escaping this.
It seems that those who are fond of Ange are taking full advantage of this situation.They're rejecting all the arguments in favour of all possible candidates in the sense that these are not conclusive evidences. Even though they themselves have to prove a hypothetical of the similar kind ("How would Ange do if he stayed for X amount of years, given Y amount of money and so on? " ), they usually refuse to do this and instead take a defensive stance.
They spend a good portion of their time tearing down all other managers, without necessarily trying to make a positive case for Ange. They assume that status quo, by default, is preferable to any possible change because the latter involves a leap of faith. And if there's no conclusive evidence that change would indeed lead to better outcomes, then why bother?
It's not a pure nonsense point of view that simply needs to be ignored. But it's a very negative one that involves a great deal of fondness towards status quo, while conversely involving a great deal of skepticism towards the unknown. Except I don't see what's so great about the current situation that we need to cling on to by any means.
A manager's past accomplishments, his fit with the squad, his current state of form etc are all indicators of how he would do if he' s put in a different situation. They can never conclusively prove anything, in the strictest sense of the term. Because they all involve extrapolation to some extent. Obviously not all arguments are equal in strength, but after all that's what they are: arguments. There's no escaping this.
It seems that those who are fond of Ange are taking full advantage of this situation.They're rejecting all the arguments in favour of all possible candidates in the sense that these are not conclusive evidences. Even though they themselves have to prove a hypothetical of the similar kind ("How would Ange do if he stayed for X amount of years, given Y amount of money and so on? " ), they usually refuse to do this and instead take a defensive stance.
They spend a good portion of their time tearing down all other managers, without necessarily trying to make a positive case for Ange. They assume that status quo, by default, is preferable to any possible change because the latter involves a leap of faith. And if there's no conclusive evidence that change would indeed lead to better outcomes, then why bother?
It's not a pure nonsense point of view that simply needs to be ignored. But it's a very negative one that involves a great deal of fondness towards status quo, while conversely involving a great deal of skepticism towards the unknown. Except I don't see what's so great about the current situation that we need to cling on to by any means.
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Nuno has never been shit. His work with Wolves before and Forest now surely teaches us that?
The coach that gets you to the QF deserves a shot at winning the QF. Surely our failures in decision making with Jose teaches us that?
Unless we don’t like learning and want to keep repeating the same mistakes?