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Management Ange Postecoglou

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It wasn't a 15 min collapse, it was aa failure to take our chances throughout the entire game which led to us conceding a goal that cost us the win, again, a system issue that makes us vulnerable to conceding very poor goals which has been a consistent issue under Ange.

We could make excuses for every single result ever in football to defend poor results the way you have just done "We could have been" "We might have been" "If we had" sure, sometimes luck really does play a part in any sport but it's the exception not the rule Richard.
So how do you explain the teams with the best systems and squads in the league failing to take chances? Is that an issue with their system? Your argument doesn’t hold up. Every single team in this league fails to take the majority of their chances. Sometimes you get a result like today.
 
We made a mistake today but generally looked solid. Set pieces we looked solid which was much better than last year. They didn’t get shit on the break.

Wouldn’t have been an issue if we’d finished one of the other chances we made
Leicester were one of the worst teams in the championship at set pieces mate just fyi.

Also, they were constantly opening us up second half, every time we lost the ball and they went forward our butts were puckering up, they literally nearly scored the second from cutting us wide open straight through midfield, it was an absolute eyesore to see that quite frankly.

Also, if we want to play the "could have" game, they could have had a few goals themselves second half, just for clarity again, this is newly promoted Leicester with a half fit shit Vardy up front.
 
Leicester were one of the worst teams in the championship at set pieces mate just fyi.

Also, they were constantly opening us up second half, every time we lost the ball and they went forward our butts were puckering up, they literally nearly scored the second from cutting us wide open straight through midfield, it was an absolute eyesore to see that quite frankly.

Also, if we want to play the "could have" game, they could have had a few goals themselves second half, just for clarity again, this is newly promoted Leicester with a half fit shit Vardy up front.
Bollox were they constantly opening us up. They had 2 chances, both fell to a coked up Jamie Vardy. He scored one of them
 
I have had grave concerns from before Christmas last year really that he’s just out of his depth. There’s a reason why he’s pushing 60 and this is his first shot at the big time. Equally we are in a bit of a bind after all our chilling and changing with a mangers where we have to give him a go and I really do hope my instincts are wrong and it does work out.

Last season can be broken down into two parts really. We had a fast start/new manager bounce over first 10 games, picked up 26 points out of 30 and were top of the table. That’s a rare if 2.6 points a game. After that, 40 points out of 84 over last 28 games, a rate of just over 1.4 points a game. 28 games is a long time to be on a poorish enough run of form.

I’m always wary if a manger who’s a slave to a system and doesn’t really have a Plan B. Tbia you score 3, we score 5 approach is grand with Celtic, or in Japan or Australia but this is a hard nosed league and our defensive play and structure has been so poor now for so long. I just don’t get a sense of learning from mistakes and addressing shortcomings.
You're not alone in your grave concerns, despite what some may have you believe.

It's completely valid to have doubts about our direction under a rookie manager at this level and those concerns have been valid longer than the mythical 10 games in which we played Brentford, Luton, Sheffield United (last gasp winner), Bournemouth & Burnley. Blasphemy to mention around here but your eyes are not lying to you if you've the eyes to see.
 
I think we have a tricky enough run of early games. I had the first two earmarked as games we really needed to be winning.

Leicester (a)
Everton (h)
Newcastle (a)
Woolwich (h)
Brentford (h)
Man U (a)
Brighton (a)
Spammers (h)
Palace (a)
Villa (h)
Ipswich (h)
Citeh (a)
 
I think we have a tricky enough run of early games. I had the first two earmarked as games we really needed to be winning.

Leicester (a)
Everton (h)
Newcastle (a)
Woolwich (h)
Brentford (h)
Man U (a)
Brighton (a)
Spammers (h)
Palace (a)
Villa (h)
Ipswich (h)
Citeh (a)
Unless Odobert turns out to be absolute mustard and a half and Solanke finds a rich vein of form, we’re going to be sitting 9th or 10th at the end of that run.
 
Eh?

Not taking chances is a system issue?

If the system creates chances then it’s working.

No team goes through a game against any opponent without giving up chances. We gave 2 chances today and conceded from 1. Because we hadn’t taken one of the many we created we paid for that with 2 points.

As for luck and exceptions to rules, I genuinely have no clue what you were saying there. It was like reading a sentence from a Joe Biden debate
Richard, I can't talk to you about Ange anymore, you're generally a decent poster but you have the absolute blinders on when it comes to him imo and the second someone questions him you start to devalue your points by saying shit like the bolded.

You keep making this point about "If we took our chances" but we didn't and you act like it's just a bad day at the office 'And on another day we would have had six' kind of logic at play here.

The problem is Richard, this isn't a new problem, it was an issue at the end of the last season and it's an issue now, it hasn't been fixed and that's partly down to a lack of quality in front of goal but it's also down to poor attacking play in general due to a flawed system.

It's gung-ho football that works sometimes but doesn't get you consistent results and often leaves you wide open at the back; which means we are going to concede a lot, which will negate any good we do going forward in the games we actually manage to make something work.

It doesn't exactly bode well does it?
 
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Bollox were they constantly opening us up. They had 2 chances, both fell to a coked up Jamie Vardy. He scored one of them
They had two shots on target, 7 chances overall and a 1.02 XG across the entire game.

We had 4 more shots on target than them across the entire game with a 1.26 XG (most of which came in the first half btw.)

Look at the second half stats alone.

Leicester : 6 shots, 2 on target, 0.96 XG
Tottenham : 5 shots, 2 on target, 0.61 XG
 
I think we have a tricky enough run of early games. I had the first two earmarked as games we really needed to be winning.

Leicester (a)
Everton (h)
Newcastle (a)
Woolwich (h)
Brentford (h)
Man U (a)
Brighton (a)
Spammers (h)
Palace (a)
Villa (h)
Ipswich (h)
Citeh (a)
Man if we aren’t careful we could very easily end up with 2 pts from our first 4 games. I can very easily see only getting 5 pts from our first 6 games.

Banana peel slip-n-slide into Woolwich and get embarrassed there and Ange is in serious trouble.

4pts from last 6 games- needs to change.
 
So how do you explain the teams with the best systems and squads in the league failing to take chances? Is that an issue with their system? Your argument doesn’t hold up. Every single team in this league fails to take the majority of their chances. Sometimes you get a result like today.
Every team has games where they fail to take chances, our problem is partly down to a lack of quality with our finishing and partly down to the quality of chance that our forwards are getting, the XG stats at the end of last season for us is proof of that.

Also, the difference between us and those teams is they can defend in the games they fail to take chances; over the course of an entire season that means you can afford to have games where you may not take your chances and still win but if you concede 1.61 goals per match and 61 across an entire season it makes it pretty difficult to have a "bad day at the office" and that points to a flaw in the system imo.
 
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I have had grave concerns from before Christmas last year really that he’s just out of his depth. There’s a reason why he’s pushing 60 and this is his first shot at the big time. Equally we are in a bit of a bind after all our chopping and changing with mangers where we have to give him a go and I really do hope my instincts are wrong and it does work out.

Last season can be broken down into two parts really. We had a fast start/new manager bounce over first 10 games, picked up 26 points out of 30 and were top of the table. That’s an average of points a game. After that, 40 points out of 84 over last 28 games, as teams figured us out, a rate of just over 1.4 points a game. 28 games is a long time to be on a poorish enough run of form.

I’m always wary of a manger who’s a slave to a system and doesn’t really have a Plan B. The you score 3, we score 5 approach is grand with Celtic, or in Japan or Australia but this is a hard nosed league and our defensive play and structure has been so poor now for so long. I just don’t get a sense of learning from mistakes and addressing shortcomings.
But if you point to it being an issue with the system or his management then you are debating like Joe Biden.
 
But if you point to it being an issue with the system or his management then you are debating like Joe Biden.
You're wasting your time, people like him think there are Prem level managers in Australia and Japan and that a club of this size should be giving them a chance at this level. He had a good start in those mythical 10 games which doesn't look as good when you look at the opposition and then was found out for the rest of the season but was excused under the natural law that "it always works in the 2nd season".

Those who have anything about them know that winning stuff in Australia & Japan and then winning stuff with Celtic guarantees sweet FA about your approach when it comes to this level and yet he's been given a seemingly endless amount of excuses. This time it's only the first game, next time it'll be something else etc etc.
 
Half the forum laughed at me when I said he’ll be sacked by Christmas. People forget just how badly we ended last season. Ange is way out of his depth in this league. We seriously need to start considering who our next manager is going to be because it’s going to happen a lot sooner than people realise
We draw the first game, we sack the manager? Fuck me sideways.
 
Richard, I can't talk to you about Ange anymore, you're generally a decent poster but you have the absolute blinders on when it comes to him imo and the second someone questions him you start to devalue your points by saying shit like the bolded.

You keep making this point about "If we took our chances" but we didn't and you act like it's just a bad day at the office 'And on another day we would have had six' kind of logic at play here.

The problem is Richard, this isn't a new problem, it was an issue at the end of the last season and it's an issue now, it hasn't been fixed and that's partly down to a lack of quality in front of goal but it's also down to poor attacking play in general due to a flawed system, it's gung-ho football that works sometimes but doesn't get you consistent results and often leaves you wide open at the back which means we are going to concede a lot which will negate any good we do going forward in the games we actually manage to make something work.

It doesn't exactly bode well does it?
Listen Incomplete, we could try and talk rationally about
 
ClappingRichard, I can't talk to you about Ange anymore, you're generally a decent poster but you have the absolute blinders on when it comes to him imo and the second someone questions him you start to devalue your points by saying shit like the bolded.

You keep making this point about "If we took our chances" but we didn't and you act like it's just a bad day at the office 'And on another day we would have had six' kind of logic at play here.

The problem is Richard, this isn't a new problem, it was an issue at the end of the last season and it's an issue now, it hasn't been fixed and that's partly down to a lack of quality in front of goal but it's also down to poor attacking play in general due to a flawed system, it's gung-ho football that works sometimes but doesn't get you consistent results and often leaves you wide open at the back which means we are going to concede a lot which will negate any good we do going forward in the games we actually manage to make something work.

It doesn't exactly bode well does it?

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