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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Ange is a philosophy manager more than a tactician. Sometimes he needs to be more pragmatic as the highline for highline sake is becoming a bit of a novelty. I still think the Chelsea loss last year with 9 men was a meme. I always thought if we retreated and sat back Chelsea would have felt the pressure big time, as the expectation was they had to win under those circumstances. They botched that many through balls being caught offside ect and missing sitters - they were nervous. Eventually they got the lead through a simple ball over the top to the wide player who squared it for a tap in. We should have leveraged the fact Chelsea were fumbling their attacks by not making it easier for them. Instead, we left all this space behind and said here we go lads, attack this space. I really think we could have won that game had we defended deep and patiently waited for a chance at the other end.

If you have a philosophy and wont to impose it on the other teams, you need to destroy them. However we dont have the quality to consistently impose ourselves on even mid teams, let alone the top teams.

There needs to be some tactical flexibility otherwise he will just be another manager who played good football but like Mourinho, Conte, Redknapp, Ramos; failed to make us proper contenders, or even outside contenders for the league title - which is was we were under Poch.
 
Fact of the day:

Ange has spent €430m more than anybody else in the last 13 months! Spurs have only beaten 1 top 10 side since 10th Dec 2023. Spurs have won 4 out of the last 12 league games, all 4 wins were against the bottom 4 teams. Our last 30 games would have us 9th place!
 
LeddersKingers said:
Ange is a philosophy manager more than a tactician. Sometimes he needs to be more pragmatic as the highline for highline sake is becoming a bit of a novelty. I still think the Chelsea loss last year with 9 men was a meme. I always thought if we retreated and sat back Chelsea would have felt the pressure big time, as the expectation was they had to win under those circumstances. They botched that many through balls being caught offside ect and missing sitters - they were nervous. Eventually they got the lead through a simple ball over the top to the wide player who squared it for a tap in. We should have leveraged the fact Chelsea were fumbling their attacks by not making it easier for them. Instead, we left all this space behind and said here we go lads, attack this space. I really think we could have won that game had we defended deep and patiently waited for a chance at the other end.

If you have a philosophy and wont to impose it on the other teams, you need to destroy them. However we dont have the quality to consistently impose ourselves on even mid teams, let alone the top teams.

There needs to be some tactical flexibility otherwise he will just be another manager who played good football but like Mourinho, Conte, Redknapp, Ramos; failed to make us proper contenders, or even outside contenders for the league title - which is was we were under Poch.
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that game done it for me. i couldnt believe what i was watching. donkey dier standing on the half way line ready to turn and sprint back to chase jackson. worst watch of spurs ive ever had to suffer, complete football suicide, the only statement that sent out is that this guy doesnt know what hes doing and comes from park football.
 
False 9 said:
Fact of the day:

Ange has spent €430m more than anybody else in the last 13 months! Spurs have only beaten 1 top 10 side since 10th Dec 2023. Spurs have won 4 out of the last 12 league games, all 4 wins were against the bottom 4 teams. Our last 30 games would have us 9th place!
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Talks about spend for 13 months but only the record since December.

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Fact of the day. Lmao
 
Fun facts for Eeyores and ice dancing lovers.
We finished 5th last season, just missing out on ECL by 2 points. 2nd highest goals scored since we got promoted and exciting football in most games.
Great new players bought and the likes of Ndombele and Sanchez gone.
Excellent first season for Ange and this season will be better.
 
sudoku said:
Fun facts for Eeyores and ice dancing lovers.
We finished 5th last season, just missing out on ECL by 2 points. 2nd highest goals scored since we got promoted and exciting football in most games.
Great new players bought and the likes of Ndombele and Sanchez gone.
Excellent first season for Ange and this season will be better.
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Let’s start a tracker - shall we …

After GW1 - 2023 - 1 point - 2024 - 1 point - GD: Even (obviously)

Both opening matches were on the road.

We did get 18 from 18 against promoted sides last season / 7 wins from 7 if you count FA cup tie against Burnley.

So not good that we dropped points in our first match against a promoted side this season - but Leceister arguably a stronger side / certainty bigger club than any of. 3 promoted sides last season.

We beat ManU 2-0 in GW2 last year. We should do better against Everton at N17 on Sat.
 
Could someone better with data find something out for me?

London derby records for let's say
Ange
Conte
Mourinho
Poch
AVB
Redknapp

I was deep on thought this morning and it occurred to me we gave Arse 4 points, Chelsea 6, Spam 4, and Fulham 3 last season.
Was that one of our worst seasons for this?
 
bk_spur said:
Didn’t we only come away with 4/18 points against our London rivals last year? 1 win against Spam and a draw against Arse?
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2 pts from 18 against Chelsea, Woolwich and West Ham. Drew at Woolwich and West Ham and lost the rest.

Only worse season i can think of was that AVB/Sherwood one. We drew at home to Chelsea and lost the other 5. Made worse by going out the FA cup to Woolwich and league cup to West Ham.
 
rolling boh said:
A bit of a difference in that the goons do attract and buy some top level players and pay accordingly. We don't do that so obviously need to strike it lucky with signings .
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been over this a few times but other than Rice & Haavertz in Arteta's, was it 4th season, who were the top level players at the time of purchase they attracted before that since Wenger left?

Martinelli?
Odegaard?
Ben White?
Gabriel?
Ramsdale?
Saliba?
Tomiyasu?
Viera?
Partey?

Perhaps Jesus is the only one I can think of during Arteta's initial rebuild and even he isn't considered by most to be a top-level player that could walk into a City/Madrid/Bayren/Barca side.

In all honestly, neither is Haavertz.

So we're left with Rice, who, in all honestly, when facing other top-level players, doesnt even look that great.
 
LeddersKingers said:
Ange is a philosophy manager more than a tactician. Sometimes he needs to be more pragmatic as the highline for highline sake is becoming a bit of a novelty. I still think the Chelsea loss last year with 9 men was a meme. I always thought if we retreated and sat back Chelsea would have felt the pressure big time, as the expectation was they had to win under those circumstances. They botched that many through balls being caught offside ect and missing sitters - they were nervous. Eventually they got the lead through a simple ball over the top to the wide player who squared it for a tap in. We should have leveraged the fact Chelsea were fumbling their attacks by not making it easier for them. Instead, we left all this space behind and said here we go lads, attack this space. I really think we could have won that game had we defended deep and patiently waited for a chance at the other end.

If you have a philosophy and wont to impose it on the other teams, you need to destroy them. However we dont have the quality to consistently impose ourselves on even mid teams, let alone the top teams.

There needs to be some tactical flexibility otherwise he will just be another manager who played good football but like Mourinho, Conte, Redknapp, Ramos; failed to make us proper contenders, or even outside contenders for the league title - which is was we were under Poch.
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I am amazed we're 14 months in and people still don't really understand or have a grasp of Ange's philisophy.

He's a manager who what's to win by scoring lots of goals.

There's a reason he repeatedly said we needed to upgrade our front line (despite scoring more goals last season than we have in 40 years) and not our defensive line.

He'd have been more annoyed by the fact we didn't score more than 1 than he would have been over conceding a goal to Leicester. In fact, I doubt he even cared too much about conceding, more that we couldn't punish them.

We take our chances in that first half and it's a different game. Leicester probably cower into their shell further to prevent a total humiliation and we score more or just control it.

This is what we've signed up for with Ange. People aren't going to like it because it's "too open" or "we concede too many chances" - indeed. But when we've got the personnel to put away the chances we create, it's a different ball game.

And as mentioned. This is the season you judge. He's got rid of pretty much everyone who cant play his way, or who hasn't bought in and has a squad of players who do.

Leicester was a frustration but that first half was the closest I'd seen to Angeball since early last season (in fact probably ever at Spurs tbh) - it's about making it click now with Solanke getting more used to it and fitting the likes of Odobert in (whos much more suited offensively)

Now it's about getting to a level where you're offence is clicking so well that opponents are almost defeated going into the game. And when we're 1 or 2 up in the first half, they know it's game over.

We're 1 game in to a season where Ange finally has a trusted squad.
 
dudu said:
been over this a few times but other than Rice & Haavertz in Arteta's, was it 4th season, who were the top level players at the time of purchase they attracted before that since Wenger left?

Martinelli?
Odegaard?
Ben White?
Gabriel?
Ramsdale?
Saliba?
Tomiyasu?
Viera?
Partey?

Perhaps Jesus is the only one I can think of during Arteta's initial rebuild and even he isn't considered by most to be a top-level player that could walk into a City/Madrid/Bayren/Barca side.

In all honestly, neither is Haavertz.

So we're left with Rice, who, in all honestly, when facing other top-level players, doesnt even look that great.
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Don't want to get involved in a row about this but generally they have been better than us for a long time ,we may have finished ahead of them in the league for a few years but won nothing so that takes away the gloss a bit .I am not just talking about their present manager who has won a cup with them but the previous manager as well who did buy well but also paid top wages something we can't or won't do .
 
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