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Management Ange Postecoglou

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PatagoniaPhil said:
My main worry about Ange is how many of our players careers we will wreck.

We were in a good position this summer to push on for CL qualification with the right signings. Now I'm worried how may of our starting 11 are finished.
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Almost a bigger worry for me than relegation right now, how much of the damage that he's doing is irrepairable?

Physically some of them may be permanently reduced by his time here, and the next manager will also have a job on to get them to un-learn the batshit tactics they've had hammered into them.

They're generally young lads too, this isn't a year and a half/2 years of stagnation, it's active regression, at a key stage of their development.

Someone else pointed out the other day, and I've said similar previously, the players that look best for us are the ones that have had least time with Ange. The whole team looked best under him before he'd had any real amount of time with the group!

We ought to stop looking for a perfect option amongst the available alternatives, the current task isn't getting us back on course for CL as soon as possible, it's a fucking salvage job, and the longer we allow this incompetent to carry on his demolition job, the bigger the ask of the next guy becomes.
 
Brian Fantana said:
They are waiting for us to bomb out of the cups now before sacking him. Bosnich just said the same as last week and you’d think he’d have the inside track knowing Ange. He’s safe until after that fa cup game.

Madness.
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Talk about throwing the season away..... I knew 100% at Galatasaray he was out of depth and he should have been sacked after Ipswich game.

Keeping him now makes no sense whatsoever.

Our midfield gets ran through consistently when we get turned over cos our 8 and 10 push up so high leaving the 6 so much ground to cover and always a huge decision to make that if he gets it wrong opposition usually punishes us....it's mental. Look at the 2nd goal, Sarr is basically a CF has to sprint all the way back seconds after he sprinted up the pitch to be there. Happens all the time...and we wonder why we can't keep the ball.

Look how many times he hooked both midfielders at half time last season.... happened to Bissouma, Bentancur, PEH, Sarr, Skipp, Maddison... every single midfielder at the club.

This geezer is killing us.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Or we are too cheap to pay him off?

It’s something to do with money or the club being sold, because it’s nothing to do with what’s going on on the pitch. Can’t be or else he’d be gone. Think about it for a minute. Given levy’s history of sacking managers there’s no way he’s keeping him in the job unless something else is in play.
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It’s the only thing that makes the remotest bit of sense to me.

A clause for a lower payoff that hasn’t been hit yet or investment/sale of the club, something like that.
 
Barber80 said:
I’ll be amazed if we beat Brighton.
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I'll be amazed if we win another league game this season.

I HATE Levy. Hate him worse than having a tube shoved down me knob when I was getting kidney stones sorted.

I don't hate Ange. I want him gone because he's in over his head and shite, but I do feel somewhat sorry for him too. Hung out to dry by the bald lizard, and completely fucked over.
 
Herclueless said:
If we lose to Brentford, which I think most all would agree is likely, it will be 1 point from 8 games.

Presumably, back in 2008, all of the Ange-inners were clamouring for Juande Ramos to be given more time? He had won us a cup after all, and was in the middle of a painful rebuild having had Keane and Berbatov sold from under him?

With the TW shut at the time too, clearly there was no way a new manager could come in and do better immediately.
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Fuck, I remember thinking Ramos was going to transform the club when he came in. Still have a soft spot for him because he seemed like a nice bloke and won us a trophy.
 
This shit reminds me of watching Leeds under Bielsa. Remember thinking just how stupid and naive that team was - apace everywhere, people caught up the pitch constantly and always at their most fragile when up the pitch. Its happening every single game with Ange and its arrogant to think it will work now. This arrogance will relegate us if it continues.
I am shocked hes still there this morning.
 
Season Leicester got relegated recently they managed 1 point between MW23-30.

That’s our benchmark. And I honestly thought we would get that point yesterday.

The stadium is only going to get worse. I know what our fans are like. That pressure is going to weigh on this group of players.

So away form needs to be our saving grace.
3 away wins this season. Soton in Dec, City in November, United in September.

So now we are effectively hoping for one away win per month in feb, March and April. Maybe one in May if we really need it.

This is actually quite exciting isn’t it.

Like getting on a rollercoaster and realising that your seatbelt things not properly done up as you start going up the big slope.
 
enfield1985 said:
He cannot organise a team. I assume where ever he has been he has his Assistants do the majority of the lifting when it comes to coaching and we have given him Bert and Earnie to coach his player and talk about team shape.

Ange is just there to tell everyone a bed time story about his relationship with his father.
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His coaching staff are seemingly left to fend for themselves. And at this point you have to question what instructions he gives them or if he meddles if they try to show some intiative themselves.

Like, Wells has been an assistant under Scott Parker for years before he came back to Spurs. He should if anything know how to set up a defence.
 
Cranston said:
Benitez would be a great shout until the end of the season. If nothing else, for the way he conducts himself. Zero bullshit. No more dispiriting gaslighting from the Ramsay Street dosser.

He claims he learned his football from Puskas. I reckon it was Toadfish Rebecchi.
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And Benitez is a meticulous planner. If he gets offered it interim he'll still show up with a plan in his back pocket to bounce back up if we end up going down. Just in case.
 
Even when players start coming back from injury I don't feel confident about results improving. The players closest to a return according to this are Romero, Van de Ven and Spence. Good players of course, but we've also got real issues in attack right now. Solanke isn't back until March, Richarlison definitely can't do 2 games a week and Son has been poor, but if you stick him up front he'll be even worse.
 
Herclueless said:
Sorry, you had me double checking the fixtures, and what I'd typed, for a moment...

Brentford ought to be ashamed of themselves if they come away from that fixture without at least one point. The draw would leave us on the infamous 2 points from 8 games, maybe those flashbacks would trigger Levy into action...
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A few years ago maybe.But after this debacle I honestly don’t know anymore with him and his thought process,it’s like he’s just sticking his head in the sand thinking it’ll get better,it won’t it’s completely done.
 
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