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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
dudu said:
Ange's predecessors also had much better teams at their disposal and failed to show up and give us anything in those big games.
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Isn't this slightly circular thinking? How good a player is tends to be based on consistently high performances. In a non-performant team, those players look worse.

Our midfield in 2018/19 was arguably weaker than our current options. Our first choice back four was probably a similar level, but probably less depth than now.

Where we are clearly weaker is in the main striker department.

It's very hard to tell how good our current squad is, because many of them are playing below the levels they set themseves at Brighton, Juve, Bournemouth etc.
 
Ionman34 said:
I think you need to get beyond this idea that it is an "invisible force." It is just a word attributed to either good fortune or misfortune. Things going wrong is a statistical probability that can be reduced by practice. However, if you consistently buck the trend in either direction, it's either labelled as good or bad luck.

It's really not that deep.
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Happy to agree to disagree here - I understand what the term means and how it can be used - it is just not used by most people in the way you are talking about when it comes to discussing football matches being won and lost.

Talking about winning or losing a football game in terms of good or bad fortune ignores 99% of what has happened in favour of creating a narrative to suit one's feelings.
 

View: https://x.com/kuluzebskl/status/1930340296056816088?s=46&t=fbqxNuG9CT4qTaiJx8mBjg

As if this isn’t a completely logical point and people really allowed themselves to get taken in by a media narrative about Ange asking them to “sprint” 😂😂😂😂😂

Btw Frank had Mbuemo run more than anyone in our squad.

The club knew that the handover to the new medical team was a mess, Geoff Scott probably knew he was toast in Ange first season and was already checked out. Then they left him with a short staffed, incomplete medical team in season 2. To the point players have come out publicly because they needed to get external help after misdiagnosis and reinjuries.

People really suck up everything this club feeds them and accept every scapegoat
 
LLB Part Deux said:
Isn't this slightly circular thinking? How good a player is tends to be based on consistently high performances. In a non-performant team, those players look worse.

Our midfield in 2018/19 was arguably weaker than our current options. Our first choice back four was probably a similar level, but probably less depth than now.

It's very hard to tell how good our current squad is, because many of them are playing below the levels they set themseves at Brighton, Juve, Bournemouth etc.
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Im talking team - sum of its parts -

Poch's CL final team > Ange's Europa league final team
 
tart said:
Harry Redknap on Talksport this morning, reckons the longer the silence from Spurs, the more worrying it is for Postecoglou (this is another response from me to those who continue to claim that Spurs don't need to say anything if The Post is staying in post).

In my opinion, Redknap knows how these things work.
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I make him right, as I've posted previously.

I was thinking about what Simon Jordan was saying about the possible conversation had between the board and AP about concentrating on the EL as the primary target. Whilst I can accept that they would have accepted the compromise, I can't see in any way that they would have accepted a complete and total capitulation in the league.

With all of the extenuating circumstances, I could see them accepting a bottom half finish around the 10-14 position. Some wins, some draws and some losses, but to lose as many as we did and only stay up because 3 other teams did historically worse than the vast majority of relegated teams before them?

I have no doubts that when that was discussed by the board, THAT was the main talking point and the deciding factor. I simply cannot see any way in which they can look at what happened over the season, and not decide that he needs to be replaced.
 
latman said:
The one thing this whole mess proves, and continues to prove, is that Levy just fails miserably at footballing decisions.
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Or, weirdly

This whole situation proves that even when people want Levy to not make footballing decisions, they will still say he fails at making decisions they don't want him to make, when he isn't making them, and say that him not making them is him failing at making them when he shouldn't be making them
 
_mehstg said:
Then we disagree. I think it is very possible to conclude Frank is a bigger chancer than Ange. You see, I have listened to Frank plenty and you're right, he comes across as someone with an air of football philosopher about him. However, when you get by the prancing he's not actually saying much at all or at least not anything I couldn't conclude myself. Having a nuanced, detailed and sophisticated approach to tactics does not make you a better manager (see Harry Redknapp). Can he motivate, will his players run through walls for him, does he feel the game and know when to make changes, can he win when it matters. All of these things are not something I am saying Ange has by the way. Also, I don't think he has overachieved at Brentford at all. They are exactly where they should be... slap bang in the middle of the PL. If anything he should have at least kicked on by now and got them into Conference League.
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Revenue:
Brentford have 4th lowest in PL. Tottenham, 4th highest

Wage bill (as widely reported):
Brentford have the 2nd lowest in the PL. Tottenham have the 7th highest (it's about 2.5x Brentford's)

Frank has overachieved at Brentford. Perhaps not spectacularly, but he's done well. They've punched above their weight and he's improved players.

Agree on the importance of motivating. Part of which is competence. In game after game this season our team looked unmotivated, by who, the great motivator Postecoglou? More so than Brentford FWIW
 
How many other clubs have come out issued a statement on their coach staying next season? People here acting like Spurs behaviour is outrageous.

Ange has 2 more years on his contract.
 
harry7 said:
How many other clubs have come out issued a statement on their coach staying next season? People here acting like Spurs behaviour is outrageous.

Ange has 2 more years on his contract.
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There wouldn't be an official statement, but the club would brief the press with stuff like this:

www.bbc.co.uk

Enzo Maresca: Chelsea to back coach even if team miss out on Champions League

Chelsea's Enzo Maresca is backed by the hierarchy at Stamford Bridge and is expected to stay in charge even if his team fail to reach the Champions League.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

There's been none of that. They are clearly looking to replace him and if the right candidate agrees, they will.

KingstonSpur said:
"A club of Tottenham’s stature should be fighting for trophies regularly and finishing in the top four."

Not sure this is true tbh. Liverpool, City, Woolwich, Chelsea, United and now Newcastle will outspend us. I don't think we should be expected to finish above those sides.
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We should be expecting to compete.
 
harry7 said:
How many other clubs have come out issued a statement on their coach staying next season? People here acting like Spurs behaviour is outrageous.

Ange has 2 more years on his contract.
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Don’t be a clown.

It doesn’t need to be a club statement, the head of comms can just say off the record to the Spurs beat reporters that he’s staying.

Instead, what we’ve seen is an obvious campaign to test the waters on Frank.
 
El Noel said:
I think you’ve answered your own question there, and that’s the reason why I firmly believe he should be sacked even if his replacement is some middling manager like Frank or Silva. If he stays then it’s an emotional rather than pragmatic decision, and it’s almost inevitable he won’t see out the entirety of the new season. Therefore why lose yet another season in a state of flux?
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The thing is, middling would be a vast improvement on our league performance, which was garbage.

It might be a little simplistic, but for me logic dictates that if a manager performing at garbage level can win the Europa League with us, then a manager performing at middling level could also have done so.

Longer term is middling what I want from Spurs, no, but from where we are now it seems like a move in the right direction at least.
 
Its a total mess at the club. Donna stepping down and a new CEO just started. Have we even announced the return of Paratici yet or is that still pending? Then who makes the decisions? Is Lange reporting into Paratici who works side by side with the new CEO or is Paratici getting more power than that? Is Levy still running the show or is he expected to take a step back from the footballing side? Munn is meant to be leaving but has that even been announced yet?

How can we hire a new manager or sign new players when we don't even know who's making the decisions upstairs yet!
 
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