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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Depends on the club. Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino had very positive vibes which seemed to work well with us, not sure charisma is the word but there is something to be said for having a positive manager with us.

When you have Levy’s negative weird vibes plus the moaning of Jose or Conte it can get a bit much. I honestly think the next manager should have a can do positive way about them, won’t fix everything but might help lift the gloom around the club.
The guys that have been positive have played the ‘right’ style of football too for the fans. The players seemed to buy into it and enjoy it. Moody cunts like Jose and conte don’t unite the players and fans in that way, if anything they cause divide.
 
Fair do's - I already said he was intelligent - but in my books, to be classed as 'charismatic' you need to have a personal magnetism in public (like Jesus, for example). Ferguson didn't have that. What he had was far more important - obssession and ability.
Anyway, as 'charisma' is way down my list of Essential Coaching Qualities, shall we agree to disagree?
Quite a high standard you’ve set there :mourcheeks:
 
Today may be the last game of the BigAnge era here in Glasgow. The weather is fucken marvelous. I'm in shorts enjoying a flat white on one of Glasgow's finer pavement cafes. It has occurred to me that my subtle calf-sized Spurs tattoo may, for the first time in these parts, be a controversial emblem placing me in mortal danger.
 
Disagree, that’s to the media. From what I’ve read he was charming, intelligent and witty most of the time.

Guardiola is a prick, as is that dweeb Arteta
Totally this

Met him a few times when he was definitely NOT on parade, and he had no need whatsoever to engage but he did for several hours on 3 separate occasions. Nothing in it for him at all.

Very interesting guy. Spoke a lot about his time at Aberdeen, being assistant to Jock Stein with Scotland, his playing career at Rangers, and the US Civil War (he's a big enthusiast).

Had some very funny stories from Scottish fitba. Didn't ask him about his time with MUFC. Nor about the time when we were supposedly after him. I'm not sure it was ever a goer. And we'd have sacked him after 2 seasons.
 
Depends on the club. Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino had very positive vibes which seemed to work well with us, not sure charisma is the word but there is something to be said for having a positive manager with us.

When you have Levy’s negative weird vibes plus the moaning of Jose or Conte it can get a bit much. I honestly think the next manager should have a can do positive way about them, won’t fix everything but might help lift the gloom around the club.

It helps to be good as a positive face for the club.
Agee there.
Is it the root of the problems at this club?

I’m saying the problems we have are structure and planning before having a charismatic coach.

Conte was full of charisma and passion when he’s started. Jose is a media darling when he wants to be.
 

No different from when they appointed him and he ignored those. He's not going to turn us down. If you listen to his interview when he was given he celtic job he couldn't believe it and thought his chance to manage in Europe had gone. He's not going to miss the chance to turn down a top 6 club in the PL. The chance will probably never come around again and he doesn't sound like the kind of guy to pass on this kind of opportunity because of a few dissenting voices. If anything it will make him want it more.
 
Even I have to say this is getting weird now.

All these guys randomly rocking up here to say the same message. Turmoil at the club but he fixed it. Want him to stay but glad he's moving upwards.

What proud Celtic fan wouldn't see themselves as our equal? The message is the same. Ange is coming to heal.

All very odd and what Levy would want the message to be. They all write the same too. Very...English.

Admin Admin whats the deal on all these new posters ip's?
Shit fuck lads, they're on to us, abort, abort!
Quick, all reconvene at Levy HQ for debrief!

What you're seeing with Celtic supporters is a similar thing to what Celtic forums experienced when Ange came in, namely a shit ton of Aussies absolutely raving about him like wee little girls. It's almost like a cult of personality thing with the guy. He just sweeps people up and unites everyone - fans, players, coaches, the board - along the way.

I doubt any Celtic supporter here considers Tottenham to be the bigger club, and probably not the better job, however most of us are well aware of the lure of the Premier League, which is of course a multitude of times bigger than the SPL. Tierney was and is a bonafide Celtic fanboy, yet was off like a shot. The rat or Brendan Rodgers as you may know him jumped ship mid season to Leicester FFS.

I don't think anybody realistically expects Ange to turn down the opportunity to quadruple his wages at a top 6 EPL side if the position is offered. We all knew he'd be off, but hoped and probably expected it'd be after 3 seasons instead of 2.

So, having passed the acceptance stage of grief, knowing full well that if offered the job he's likely offski:

I'm fully aware of the level of Scottish football and the challenges he'll have when competing against other quality sides on weekly basis, but I wouldn't write him off. He's a top coach, an incredible motivator, the standards he instills into the players are constant and he's just an extremely driven individual. There are so many examples of ex-players speaking very highly of him.

When he was interviewed for our position the owner Dermot Desmond noted that he was the only guy who didn't ask anything about transfer budgets, contacts, wages, etc. I'm sure that'd be music to Levy's ears. That wasn't a sign of him being a yes-man though, more I think an indication of just how much he backs himself to be successful, probably because he's been successful everywhere he's been. Again, this will be an entirely different challenge, granted.

Is it naive to think he could work well with Levy? I think I know what your answer would be and you'd know a lot better than me. What I would say though is that our board have been known to be a ball ache to work with and it was thought to be a major reason why Rodgers wanted out, having fallen out with them over transfer funds previously. There has never been a hint of that from Ange, who has been backed but if anything, has been highly responsible with the clubs money.

It's easier at a club like Celtic, but he has put in place an impressive trading model where players have been bought for low fees and then either developed or showcased, to be sold on for profits. Obvious in theory, and what almost every club aims to be doing, but not always successful in practice. I'm certain the success we've had here has mostly been down to him, as we don't have a DoF and he's identified most of the players himself.

I saw somebody saying that Slot's achievement of winning with Feyenoord trumps anything Ange has done at Celtic, which may be true? However because of the nature of jobs he's done, I don't think Postecoglou gets the credit he deserves for his achievements.

Take his work at Yokohama for example. He's come into that league as somebody who doesn't speak the language, doesn't know the culture yet has won the J-League within 2 seasons. It's important to note that Japan is a salary capped league, so it's not like he's just outspent the rest. And he took over a club who were mid-lower table and hadn't won the league in 15 years, so he didn't just carry on existing success. I'm not saying that's any kind of guarantee he'd be successful at Spurs, but it does give an indication of his ability to improve situations through good coaching, management and sheer force of will.

Anyway, good luck next season under Sam Allardyce, because sweet Ange is staying :levylol:
 
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Depends on the club. Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino had very positive vibes which seemed to work well with us, not sure charisma is the word but there is something to be said for having a positive manager with us.

When you have Levy’s negative weird vibes plus the moaning of Jose or Conte it can get a bit much. I honestly think the next manager should have a can do positive way about them, won’t fix everything but might help lift the gloom around the club.
Would love some positive vibes around the club again.
 
Last trophy he’ll win for a while today.

Will Ferrell Lol GIF
 
I think you’ll find 80% wanted him soon as he became available. He would defo been most welcome appointment amongst majority of fans. Certainly more than Ange!

Here are the reasons why the vast majority of Spurs fans saw the logic of Nagelsmann:

Teams have been successful everywhere he's been.
Has spoken about being a fan of the club before.
Plays modern, attacking football.
Uses formations that fit a lot of the squad we already have.
Clued into German football which is traditionally a great market to recruit from.
Feels he went to Bayern too early in his career so looking to build and not leapfrog to a superclub as soon as he succeeds

Reasons why it wouldn't happen:
He was fired from Bayern.
Is demanding a professional football structure with DOF and recruitment that bypasses Levy and Munn deciding everything.
Will want a budget and wage bill that enables him to compete.


3 of the 4 reasons why it wouldn't happen are also things the majority of Spurs fans want to see.
 
Here are the reasons why the vast majority of Spurs fans saw the logic of Nagelsmann:

Teams have been successful everywhere he's been.
Has spoken about being a fan of the club before.
Plays modern, attacking football.
Uses formations that fit a lot of the squad we already have.
Clued into German football which is traditionally a great market to recruit from.
Feels he went to Bayern too early in his career so looking to build and not leapfrog to a superclub as soon as he succeeds

Reasons why it wouldn't happen:
He was fired from Bayern.
Is demanding a professional football structure with DOF and recruitment that bypasses Levy and Munn deciding everything.
Will want a budget and wage bill that enables him to compete.


3 of the 4 reasons why it wouldn't happen are also things the majority of Spurs fans want to see.
Munn hey! No idea what he brings to the table.
 
'Ange only plays one way tactically' is a myth. Celtic can park the bus once they get their nose in front. Ange play defensively on at least 3 times against Rangers, at Ibrox last season, this season in the Legue Cup final and in the Scottish Cup semi. Once we scored a couple, Ange shuts up shop, he knows how to defend.
Throwing everyone behind the ball to defend for their lives is required I'll agree when needed, but tell me about the mix of tactics you've seen since he arrived at Celtic? How often does he change shape with subs, instead of like for like changes? When players like Hatate, Johnston (RB), Taylor(LB) were out when did he change shape or try set up different to accommodate the players he had?

Europe was the best example. He never adapted and got punished.

He also got a LOT of points from last minute goals, who h is testament to his attacking philosophy... But was also down to the five sub rule allowing him to bring on better quality players late on that could take advantage of teams spending 80+ minutes behind the ball chasing shadows.
 
Thanks

He'll defo have to play differently in the PL. The best teams play very much using their keeper as sweeper. This "don't pass back" doesn't work, otherwise you're 10 v 11. Brighton even played chicken with City the other day, daring their forwards to press the keeper. Ended 1-1, great game. If we'd played that way v the Goons or Chavs I would be in hospital now on life support.

But he's a smart guy, I'm sure he knows all this already.

Not my first choice but I'd be very happy with him. Also it seems he won't take any shit from Levy
He's played the same way at Australia, Y Marinos and I'd guess in the Aussie league team as he said he's sticking to the same philosophy
 
Shit fuck lads, they're on to us, abort, abort!
Quick, all reconvene at Levy HQ for debrief!

What you're seeing with Celtic supporters is a similar thing to what Celtic forums experienced when Ange came in, namely a shit ton of Aussies absolutely raving about him like wee little girls. It's almost like a cult of personality thing with the guy. He just sweeps people up and unites everyone - fans, players, coaches, the board - along the way.

I doubt any Celtic supporter here considers Tottenham to be the bigger club, and probably not the better job, however most of us are well aware of the lure of the Premier League, which is of course a multitude of times bigger than the SPL. Tierney was and is a bonafide Celtic fanboy, yet was off like a shot. The rat or Brendan Rodgers as you may know him jumped ship mid season to Leicester FFS.

I don't think anybody realistically expects Ange to turn down the opportunity to quadruple his wages at a top 6 EPL side if the position is offered. We all knew he'd be off, but hoped and probably expected it'd be after 3 seasons instead of 2.

So, having passed the acceptance stage of grief, knowing full well that if offered the job he's likely offski:

I'm fully aware of the level of Scottish football and the challenges he'll have when competing against other quality sides on weekly basis, but I wouldn't write him off. He's a top coach, an incredible motivator, the standards he instills into the players are constant and he's just an extremely driven individual. There are so many examples of ex-players speaking very highly of him.

When he was interviewed for our position the owner Dermot Desmond noted that he was the only guy who didn't ask anything about transfer budgets, contacts, wages, etc. I'm sure that'd be music to Levy's ears. That wasn't a sign of him being a yes-man though, more I think an indication of just how much he backs himself to be successful, probably because he's been successful everywhere he's been. Again, this will be an entirely different challenge, granted.

Is it naive to think he could work well with Levy? I think I know what your answer would be and you'd know a lot better than me. What I would say though is that our board have been known to be a ball ache to work with and it was thought to be a major reason why Rodgers wanted out, having fallen out with them over transfer funds previously. There has never been a hint of that from Ange, who has been backed but if anything, has been highly responsible with the clubs money.

It's easier at a club like Celtic, but he has put in place an impressive trading model where players have been bought for low fees and then either developed or showcased, to be sold on for profits. Obvious in theory, and what almost every club aims to be doing, but not always successful in practice. I'm certain the success we've had here has mostly been down to him, as we don't have a DoF and he's identified most of the players himself.

I saw somebody saying that Slot's achievement of winning with Feyenoord trumps anything Ange has done at Celtic, which may be true? However because of the nature of jobs he's done, I don't think Postecoglou gets the credit he deserves for his achievements.

Take his work at Yokohama for example. He's come into that league as somebody who doesn't speak the language, doesn't know the culture yet has won the J-League within 2 seasons. It's important to note that Japan is a salary capped league, so it's not like he's just outspent the rest. And he took over a club who were mid-lower table and hadn't won the league in 15 years, so he didn't just carry on existing success. I'm not saying that's any kind of guarantee he'd be successful at Spurs, but it does give an indication of his ability to improve situations through good coaching, management and sheer force of will.

Anyway, good luck next season under Sam Allardyce, because sweet Ange is staying :levylol:
Wish he was.
 
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