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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I'll give him time, cause where the eff are we going if we sack him?! Yet another manager, yet another project?! Talk about a vicious circle.
That’s the problem with a lot of Tottenham fans right now who have put all their hopes in Postecoglou and they look at how it turns to shit, but they refuse to accept it. We shouldn’t give extra time to a manager just because we’re fucking hopeless afterwards. I am not sure how many shit performances you want to see to get your head out of the sand? We’ve sacked our most successful manager in Premier League and I didn’t see so much disappointment that it didn’t work out like I see now with Postecoglou.

You said it yourself, this job is too big for him. There are better managers out there, so why insist with Postecoglou to try and make it work? Weird.
 
That’s the problem with a lot of Tottenham fans who have put all their hopes in Postecoglou and now they look how all is slowly ruined, but they refuse to accept it. We shouldn’t give extra time to a manager just because we’re fucking hopeless afterwards. I am not sure how many shit performances you want to see to say enough is enough? We’ve sacked our most successful manager in Premier League and I didn’t see so much disappointment that it didn’t work out like there is now with Postecoglou.

You said it yourself, this job is too big for him. There are better managers out there, so why insist with Postecoglou to try and make it work? Weird.
It feels and looks like he’s the australian Redknapp right now- “get out there, run about and have a go at it” while smiling and having a laugh. Zero evidence of passing combinations through the middle and in the final third. It’s the end of the season- there should be some evidence of a system. The only system I see right now is dumping it to the wingers and hoping they can do something magical. That is not a system.
 
I think it’s interesting that in the last couple of days Ange has mentioned the staff twice, either not being believers or suggesting there going to be change.

O’Keefe on his Twitter has specifically picked out Mason and Wells as coaches he’d move on



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It feels and looks like he’s the australian Redknapp right now- “get out there, run about and have a go at it” while smiling and having a laugh. Zero evidence of passing combinations through the middle and in the final third. It’s the end of the season- there should be some evidence of a system. The only system I see right now is dumping it to the wingers and hoping they can do something magical. That is not a system.
I’ve said it before I did not want him as manager, thought it was a very uninspiring appointment. But I am not gonna lie, for the first time this season I felt sad for the manager last night when I saw him get frustrated and shout at the players. I don’t see what he’s trying to do with this team though, he inverts his fullbacks and keeps his wingers wide for what reason? He wants to pack the midfield and stretch the opposition’s defence by using wingers…? (who btw are often cutting inside and they run into a bunch of players). Doing this every game for the sake of it is just dumb imo, there is no way a system works on every team we face. Also the high line, it compresses the space even more so basically you end up having 15-20 players within 30 yards in the opposition’s half. No wonder it doesn’t fucking work to break down sides and we’re extremely prone to long balls.
 
I think it’s interesting that in the last couple of days Ange has mentioned the staff twice, either not being believers or suggesting there going to be change.

O’Keefe on his Twitter has specifically picked out Mason and Wells as coaches he’d move on



View: https://x.com/dan_kp/status/1786513562615316702?s=46&t=Zr__ObRcjqxF616P03tagg


View: https://x.com/dan_kp/status/1786000032610591180?s=46&t=Zr__ObRcjqxF616P03tagg



View: https://x.com/pokeefe1/status/1786520745452990811?s=46&t=Zr__ObRcjqxF616P03tagg

Good, fuck knows what mason is doing at the club. Hes personally overseen every failure.
 
I think it’s interesting that in the last couple of days Ange has mentioned the staff twice, either not being believers or suggesting there going to be change.

O’Keefe on his Twitter has specifically picked out Mason and Wells as coaches he’d move on



View: https://x.com/dan_kp/status/1786513562615316702?s=46&t=Zr__ObRcjqxF616P03tagg


View: https://x.com/dan_kp/status/1786000032610591180?s=46&t=Zr__ObRcjqxF616P03tagg



View: https://x.com/pokeefe1/status/1786520745452990811?s=46&t=Zr__ObRcjqxF616P03tagg


The worst part is most of the first 11 haven't been here long lol .
 

Levy permitting is the ultimate problem though imo.

Watching his presser earlier he essentially said "I believe what I believe, I won't change that and if players aren't good enough for what I believe, they will be changed"

Paraphrasing but that's essentially it, people expecting him to alter his approach to how he manages games or for him to suddenly care about set piece training etc are in for a shock because I feel like Ange is pretty straightforward and honest (something I do admire and respect) but it also doesn't bode well for us imo and that's because of Levy.

The reason I say that is simply that Daniel Levy has always operated (and will likely always operate) on the idea that you get the absolute best from what you have, I would argue that considering our early season form, Ange isn't getting the best from what he currently has now and I am willing to bet Levy will see it that way as well.

Levy isn't the type to just sell and gut a team for a manager, he didn't do it for Conte or Jose and those are proven title winning managers at the highest level, he didn't even do it for Poch who took us to a CL final and was frankly the best manager in my lifetime at least.

The reality is, Ange can dream of winning titles and dream of selling and replacing players who don't fit into the system and spending whatever is needed to make the system effective and work but we don't have an owner that will support those ideals imo, and given the risk after the form we have shown for months now, it makes it even less likely that will happen.

Obviously I could be wrong, happy to be wrong about it but I just can't see it personally.
 
I’m off the message board until Sunday. Those of you heading up to Scouse territory over the weekend - Bless you - You’re better men than I am.
And women!!






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I’ve said it before I did not want him as manager, thought it was a very uninspiring appointment. But I am not gonna lie, for the first time this season I felt sad for the manager last night when I saw him get frustrated and shout at the players. I don’t see what he’s trying to do with this team though, he inverts his fullbacks and keeps his wingers wide for what reason? He wants to pack the midfield and stretch the opposition’s defence by using wingers…? (who btw are often cutting inside and they run into a bunch of players). Doing this every game for the sake of it is just dumb imo, there is no way a system works on every team we face. Also the high line, it compresses the space even more so basically you end up having 15-20 players within 30 yards in the opposition’s half. No wonder it doesn’t fucking work to break down sides and we’re extremely prone to long balls.
You've hit on what I'm trying to understand. When you watch the matches are you seeing open passes the players aren't taking or empty spaces they aren't running into? Because that is what Postecoglou seems to be implying. But when I watch the matches I'm not seeing this system producing the overloads that create open spaces. Maybe that, too, is on the players but I wonder how much of it is that Premier League teams are talented enough to take away things that perhaps the offense would have generated other places he's been. And something I don't see discussed is that the buildup isn't producing the open lanes for the medium to long diagonal passes that create opportunity in the final third. It just looks like Spurs slow walk into the final third against defenses that are just sitting back waiting for them. Maybe there is more opportunity there, but it's hard to see when you're watching it on TV as opposed to being there in person.
 
The guy needs proper coaches next to him. Mason is a levy yes man and shouldnt be near our first team squad. Also what was the reason for mile jedniak to come in as assistant manager. Who was anges assistant at celtic.
 
But when I watch the matches I'm not seeing this system producing the overloads that create open spaces. Maybe that, too, is on the players but I wonder how much of it is that Premier League teams are talented enough to take away things that perhaps the offense would have generated other places he's been.
yea im not sure what hes on about. the personnel hes selecting is never going to be capable of what he wants. when city cant play through they can at least put the ball in the box and lknow they have a beast in haaland whos going to get joy if the ball in is dangerous. we have our wide players in these same positions but they never cross the ball, its a dream for the opposition when you dont want to cross the ball. they can just focus on stopping you trying to overplay it to get as close to their goal as possible. fucking easy game. they will let the wide players have space knowing they dont have to get close as the cross isnt coming, meaning its even more compact in their box.

its like hes still trying to emulate barcelona 2010.... even city are thumping the ball in the box when its on! when you got iniesta, messi and xavi you dont need to cross.

next year if theres no massive improvement hes going to be exposed as a clown. you cant play the ball into the goal like barcelona 2010 if you dont have barcelona 2010 level players. you find solutions for what you have.
 
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So success is now deemed as growth next season. That’s pretty far from his challenge next season. Levy’s broke him 😂. We will hear Sessengon’s return is like a new signing soon.

Spiky in response to the four losses in a row question 🙋‍♂️.
 
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