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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
BernardMatthews said:
Although I feel 1-0 is becoming less and less common. Wonder if the stats back that up as being to do with rule changes and increases in added time.
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The rules have changed over time to favour the offense so it wouldn't surprise me at all. And this isn't even unique to football but to most team sports.

Just look at what was allowed as defense in the NBA in the 80s and 90s compared to now. The difference is like night and day. And that's a sport where we definitely can see that the scoring totals have increased.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Overall, I see some periods of the best football I can remember and a very encouraging start.
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Well I'm not going to argue with your opinion but this is the negatives that I see;

We had lots of injuries to key players but when they returned if anything we got worse.
Ange instructs our wide forwards to keep as wide as possible to try and stretch defences but teams have become wise to that and simply stay compacted in defence which ruins our final third play.
Our CBs are too often exposed for my liking and the fullbacks get caught out playing as AMF up the pitch and the opposition simply play into the fullback vacant spaces. Then we're relying on one player VDV with his pace to bail us out of emergencies.

We could also do with playing long balls some of the time, just to be less predictable, and our general play is often too slow.

Awful set pieces both in attack and defence.

There's a lot to do.
 
When people say this situation could have been avoided of Ange had done a better job are they referring just to the Woolwich game?

We could have been in an even worse situation if 4th was in our hands going in to the City game. Then he would have a lot more of a reason to be pissed of with fans wanting us to lose at the risk of missing out on CL.

Presumably the majority would still want to lose if that was the case?
 
Richard Arlison said:
There isn’t a team that plays their best football for 90 mins.
Even City are dull for long periods of most games.
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No, I agree. But the better teams do it for more than a 10 minute spell after HT because they're 1 down and played shit in the whole of the first half.
vibes_guy said:
You can always trust X to come up with some meaningless and obscure statistic to make all the melts feel better about themselves.
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X didn't come up with that stat. It's just a fact. Bottom half relegation fodder with Sean fucking Dyche managed more points than us in 2 thirds of a season. That shows our trajectory and what can be expected when the league restarts in August.
Herclueless said:
It also strikes me as strange that Ange doesn't ever bring any of his previous staff with him, most managers have at least a couple that travel everywhere with them. That he doesn't suggests that either he thinks he's so great that he can impart his wisdom and ways onto any old human vessel, or he doesn't see it as that important.
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Or maybe they don't want to follow him because they too don't buy in.
ShutUpPatrik said:
The rules have changed over time to favour the offense so it wouldn't surprise me at all. And this isn't even unique to football but to most team sports.

Just look at what was allowed as defense in the NBA in the 80s and 90s compared to now. The difference is like night and day. And that's a sport where we definitely can see that the scoring totals have increased.
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Really? All I see these days are Cunty McCuntface VAR teams trying their absolutely hardest to find a hair offside so they can rule a goal out.
It used to be daylight. Now it's all benefit to the defender.
 
Herclueless said:
Let's be real, there are is no pedigree whatsoever within our coaching team.

Ange can whinge about the fans, complain about the players, we can blame the ownership all we like, but when the guys charged with training your expensively assembled squad are pub league then you're never going to get more than the sum of your parts, and most likely you'll end up with less.

Who's our goalkeeping coach, Rob Burch?

First team coaches Mile Jedinak, Ryan Mason, and that bloke who's grandad used to play for Spurs back when life was in black and white???

Maybe they are all great, but the evidence on the pitch points to them being sub-standard, and I'd hope for significant additions in that area, if not even a complete overhaul.

It also strikes me as strange that Ange doesn't ever bring any of his previous staff with him, most managers have at least a couple that travel everywhere with them. That he doesn't suggests that either he thinks he's so great that he can impart his wisdom and ways onto any old human vessel, or he doesn't see it as that important.
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I said in hindsight that 'I'm the lone Avenger' BS, though I'm sure it made Levy bust a nut, is a massive red flag. You work toward creating a coaching ethos, and you find and employ people who share that vision. Assemnling those coaches takes years. It's no different with players Eric Dier can't play the system you get VDV. Why would coaching be diffrent.
 
theyearoftheone said:
When people say this situation could have been avoided of Ange had done a better job are they referring just to the Woolwich game?

We could have been in an even worse situation if 4th was in our hands going in to the City game. Then he would have a lot more of a reason to be pissed of with fans wanting us to lose at the risk of missing out on CL.

Presumably the majority would still want to lose if that was the case?
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The sad fact is, I think there would have been fans who would have found a way to justify having that opinion.
I would imagine it would be "CL never did us any good anyway" or better still "We're not ready for it"
 
Herclueless said:
Let's be real, there are is no pedigree whatsoever within our coaching team.

Ange can whinge about the fans, complain about the players, we can blame the ownership all we like, but when the guys charged with training your expensively assembled squad are pub league then you're never going to get more than the sum of your parts, and most likely you'll end up with less.

Who's our goalkeeping coach, Rob Burch?

First team coaches Mile Jedinak, Ryan Mason, and that bloke who's grandad used to play for Spurs back when life was in black and white???

Maybe they are all great, but the evidence on the pitch points to them being sub-standard, and I'd hope for significant additions in that area, if not even a complete overhaul.

It also strikes me as strange that Ange doesn't ever bring any of his previous staff with him, most managers have at least a couple that travel everywhere with them. That he doesn't suggests that either he thinks he's so great that he can impart his wisdom and ways onto any old human vessel, or he doesn't see it as that important.
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Yeah I was saying the same yesterday. I also think he will take on more of the coaching rather than delegating.

Maybe he has young ones because he doesnt want to be questioned or feels threatened by an older coach?
 
Brian Fantana said:
Yeah I was saying the same yesterday. I also think he will take on more of the coaching rather than delegating.

Maybe he has young ones because he doesnt want to be questioned or feels threatened by an older coach?
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Could be any number of things, but I struggle to think of any positive explanation for it.

I guess he could spin it as wanting to keep things fresh and dynamic, but in that case then you'd expect him to be sacking them all every season and bringing in a new bunch.
 
McCOYS said:
Well I'm not going to argue with your opinion but this is the negatives that I see;

We had lots of injuries to key players but when they returned if anything we got worse.
Ange instructs our wide forwards to keep as wide as possible to try and stretch defences but teams have become wise to that and simply stay compacted in defence which ruins our final third play.
Our CBs are too often exposed for my liking and the fullbacks get caught out playing as AMF up the pitch and the opposition simply play into the fullback vacant spaces. Then we're relying on one player VDV with his pace to bail us out of emergencies.

We could also do with playing long balls some of the time, just to be less predictable, and our general play is often too slow.

Awful set pieces both in attack and defence.

There's a lot to do.
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And yet the funny thing is that the City match we looked competent and a sign of progress.

We even looked good on set pieces lol

Gives you the feeling of what if and why he didn't change it 2 months ago.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Hate to say this as well but he's a Liverpool supporter, I don't understand how he can claim that he is "out of step" (his words) with why people care about rivalries when he literally supports a PL team and one that has the most vociferous whiny fanbases in football.
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My hope is that everyone was just frazzled.

Don’t want to speak on anyone else’s behalf, but this has been one of the strangest weeks supporting Spurs. We just need to forget it ever happened.

He can laugh it off at today’s press conference. Just say it was a tough week but the team has really pulled together.
 
Herclueless said:
Could be any number of things, but I struggle to think of any positive explanation for it.

I guess he could spin it as wanting to keep things fresh and dynamic, but in that case then you'd expect him to be sacking them all every season and bringing in a new bunch.
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It is one of the first things I thought he meant (about his coaches) with his comments after the match the other night. I don't think we will find out any more. I wonder if today the press guy might even move questions on about what was said on Tuesday. I'm bored with hearing about it to be fair.
 
Matt1882 said:
The sad fact is, I think there would have been fans who would have found a way to justify having that opinion.
I would imagine it would be "CL never did us any good anyway" or better still "We're not ready for it"
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Well they would only be echoing what the manager said after we lost to Fulham 3-0 (the following was deflection yet again imo) when he said 4th was "meaningless" and how he "doesn't want to finish fourth unless we have grown as a team" which based on his shaky foundations comment and our run of bad form, we haven't.

Also, we have past proof that finishing in the CL places really hasn't pushed us forward as a club in terms of money invested on the squad so again, that would be a justified opinion wouldn't it?

Maybe you should stop blaming supporters for the clubs failures and a rare situation of us not wanting our bitter rivals to win the league (a position we should have never been put in as supporters in the first place) and direct your issues towards the people that can actually change the fortunes of the club, the owners, manager and players.
 
McCOYS said:
Well I'm not going to argue with your opinion but this is the negatives that I see;

We had lots of injuries to key players but when they returned if anything we got worse.
Ange instructs our wide forwards to keep as wide as possible to try and stretch defences but teams have become wise to that and simply stay compacted in defence which ruins our final third play.
Our CBs are too often exposed for my liking and the fullbacks get caught out playing as AMF up the pitch and the opposition simply play into the fullback vacant spaces. Then we're relying on one player VDV with his pace to bail us out of emergencies.

We could also do with playing long balls some of the time, just to be less predictable, and our general play is often too slow.

Awful set pieces both in attack and defence.

There's a lot to do.
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Thing about long term injuries is that getting back in the squad isn’t the same as getting match fitness and sharpness back and even as they do come back, the knock on effects on rhythm and squad depth last even longer.
Just look at the burnout we can see in players that had to work extra to make up for players out through injury.
Not excuses but with a schedule like ours that had long breaks then bursts of games, it gets even harder to get players back in form and fitness. Even Villa without our issues have a similar PPG in 2024. Both teams need depth.

The stuff about teams playing narrow and deep haven’t even been a problem for us attacking, we created dangerous situations against those games every time but weren’t clinical with the last pass or finish.


Get the summer right and we will be more like the first 10 games than the last 10.
 
Shadydan said:
Yeah I guess so and look I'm not even calling him out for not adapting, just explaining the feeling watching the City match and how competent we actually looked.

Maybe he'll use that setup going forward in these kind of matches and City was the acid test.
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I’m trying not to think about this too much.

But it was a tad irritating that we saved our best half of football in about three months for the once in a century game where we didn’t necessarily need it.

I will say one thing though - we weren’t that bad against Woolwich. We were very, very unlucky in that first half.
 
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