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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
AussieVillan said:
Think what you like about Ange but he never has nor will be a "yes man".

He just won't just panic sign a player for the sake of it because he "needs a striker" and would rather wait and keep working to get the right profile of player.

He'll have a pretty clear idea of what he's looking for which will typically be a striker with good movement who will look to run behind and that has a high workrate to press when out of possession. He had a guy called Berisha in Brisbane (that he took to Melbourne) and obviously Furuhashi at Celtic that fit the profile and suspect he'll be chasing the same for Spurs.
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For me, the jury is still out.

I find you travelling Ange fans a bit weird tbh. ngl

Not to take away from your post which is valid, of course.

Were you on the Celtic forum when he was there?

Did their fans have the same concern/s as some you've seen on here and what was the turning point, if they did?

Also, I hope you're right.
 
thinktank said:
For me, the jury is still out.

I find you travelling Ange fans a bit weird tbh. ngl

Not to take away from your post which is valid, of course.

Were you on the Celtic forum when he was there?

Did their fans have the same concern/s as some you've seen on here and what was the turning point, if they did?

Also, I hope you're right.
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Just did some googling. A lot of the posts here seem eerily familiar:

Ange Postecoglou

Ajeti on to miss another sitter good to see the big greek boy in though HH
www.talkceltic.net www.talkceltic.net

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SeeSpotRun said:
Just did some googling. A lot of the posts here seem eerily familiar:

Ange Postecoglou

Ajeti on to miss another sitter good to see the big greek boy in though HH
www.talkceltic.net www.talkceltic.net

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Jesus, those posts are exactly the same as some on here. lol

You go to the end of the thread, tho, you read how he's a legend and they'll never forget him.

Guess we'll see if this thread gets to go through the same arc.
 
NewZealand_Spur said:
Some fans would be slagging him off no matter what he says or does. It is what it is at this point and it's the same in every supporter base with every team.

The only way we'll ever overcome this is if the fat skippy plays an actual squad in the league cup and we win something. Then finally the whole forum can come together as one to celebrate. Even all the 200 accounts with the same two IP addresses in the off topic section will be shaving their heads bald and singing Ange's name.
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He's not a skippy mate
 
Had his faults last season as any manager does especially towards the end there. Over reacted to Woolwich game, plus his comments about corners. But still to have finished fifth with no recognised striker all season was a pretty good effort. Porro, Udogie, Sarr all improved. VDV and Vicario fitted in seamlessly although of course Vicario has his issues. Criticise him all you like but he’ll never be a brown nose as some here have suggested.
 
NewZealand_Spur said:
Some fans would be slagging him off no matter what he says or does. It is what it is at this point and it's the same in every supporter base with every team.

The only way we'll ever overcome this is if the fat skippy plays an actual squad in the league cup and we win something. Then finally the whole forum can come together as one to celebrate. Even all the 200 accounts with the same two IP addresses in the off topic section will be shaving their heads bald and singing Ange's name.
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Skippy is the Bush Kangaroo and I have never seen a fat one of them as they are pretty lean when presented on the plate!
 
thinktank said:
Jesus, those posts are exactly the same as some on here. lol

You go to the end of the thread, tho, you read how he's a legend and they'll never forget him.

Guess we'll see if this thread gets to go through the same arc.
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Hopefully mate.

You asked what the turning point was at Celtic: Interestingly he started to turn the corner very soon after where that thread was linked.

He'd gotten off to a really shaky start and although most of the support was giving him time, there was a feeling that if he'd dropped more points in that final game before the International break (away to Aberdeen), the pressure was going to start to seriously build. As it turned out, they scored a very late winner which settled everyone's nerves.

If you read the first 20 or so pages of that thread, it's basically a carbon copy of this one. Loads of people asking who the fuck is this guy, is this some sort of sick joke, etc.

Look, I'm firmly in the pro-Ange camp and have faith in his ability to achieve something special here, but I'm also not blind to the challenge. Although it wasn't easy to overturn a Rangers side who finished the previous season about 25 points ahead, trying to overtake the best teams in the Premier League is a different prospect entirely. His first season was evidence of that.

It's going to take time and transfer windows, that's the reality of it. The backing in the transfer marker is obviously crucial (insert Levy emoji here). There's evidence that when we have players capable of playing his system, we're a really decent side. For example, in the matches where we had all 4 of our first choice defenders last season, we had the 4th best defence in the league (that'll be skewed by quality of opposition and the like, but it still illustrates the huge drop off we saw when Davies, Emerson, etc were forced to play)

Of course he also needs to be showing progress along the way (winning a cup would help immeasurably) But it's important to remember that he's a very process driven manager. The first season invariably is always about instilling principles and a style of play, the growth should come after that.
 
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Chris Davies on Ange:

After leaving Leicester last year, Davies became Postecoglou’s senior assistant coach at Spurs. “I really enjoyed working with Ange. He is a really strong leader who’s so consistent and convincing in terms of his vision. Some of his team meetings were incredible where he’d lay out the path forward, whether that was football or your behaviours and character. The players were so inspired by this kind of leadership, absolutely unwavering in terms of his way and what he believes in.

“It’s a really important thing, especially with the highs and lows of these big clubs, that you have a manager who is consistent in behaviour. If you lost 3-0 or won 3-0 you would see no change in Ange the next day. That’s unusual because unfortunately you can get carried away with the hype and you can go too low with the criticism but Ange was a guy that just wasn’t changing. He was clear what he wanted to do and nothing was going to stop that.

Face to Face: Birmingham City manager Chris Davies - World Soccer
 
Mince Charming said:
Hopefully mate.

You asked what the turning point was at Celtic: Interestingly he started to turn the corner very soon after where that thread was linked.

He'd gotten off to a really shaky start and although most of the support was giving him time, there was a feeling that if he'd dropped more points in that final game before the International break (away to Aberdeen), the pressure was going to start to seriously build. As it turned out, they scored a very late winner which settled everyone's nerves.

If you read the first 20 or so pages of that thread, it's basically a carbon copy of this one. Loads of people asking who the fuck is this guy, is this some sort of stick joke, etc.

Look, I'm firmly in the pro-Ange camp and have faith in his ability to achieve something special here, but I'm also not blind to the challenge. Although it wasn't easy to overturn a Rangers side who finished the previous season about 25 points ahead, trying to overtake the best teams in the Premier League is a different prospect entirely. His first season was evidence of that.

It's going to take time and transfer windows, that's the reality of it. The backing in the transfer marker is obviously crucial (insert Levy emoji here). There's evidence that when we have players capable of playing his system, we're a really decent side. For example, in the matches where we had all 4 of our first choice defenders last season, we had the 4th best defence in the league (that'll be skewed by quality of opposition and the like, but it still illustrates the huge drop off we saw when Davies, Emerson, etc were forced to play)

Of course he also needs to be showing progress along the way (winning a cup would help immeasurably) But it's important to remember that he's a very process driven manager. The first season invariably is always about instilling principles and a style of play, the growth should come after that.
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Accepted the first season was ingraining his principle.

Understandable.

Still clear his system needs real, proper quality to do anything in this league.

That's my main concern.

Don't think he's going to get what he needs, yet he will still bash away with his methodology without making necessary adjustments to compensate.

It's why I'm bearish on it all working (as it stands).
 
Yiddy said:
After the fall out from the city game and what was said I'll have no respect for him if he just accepts this.
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I think he was right on his opinions on the City game from the perspective of.

You should never want to loose.

3 points from that game and it’s champions league.

Anyone wanting to drop points doesn’t have the mentality of a winner. Winners get trophies.
 
SeeSpotRun said:
Just did some googling. A lot of the posts here seem eerily familiar:

Ange Postecoglou

Ajeti on to miss another sitter good to see the big greek boy in though HH
www.talkceltic.net www.talkceltic.net

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They were concerned for a few games after he took over. From what I understand, Celtic had a slow start to the season then they "turned it around", aka got back to their usual ways of winning, after 4-5 games.

At Tottenham, it’s already been one season and it’s been the opposite situation. We started well but ended the season like shit. Not sure you can correlate the two clubs situations based on the forum comments.
 
I worry about all the bang average players we are collecting.

Hes had a fortune spent on him, so he has to deliver. I'm not sure he will. Hes deliberately asked for players like Solanke, Johnson and Werner.

Questions still remain about plan B and tactical flexibility. He has no excuses this season.
 
thinktank said:
For me, the jury is still out.

I find you travelling Ange fans a bit weird tbh. ngl

Not to take away from your post which is valid, of course.

Were you on the Celtic forum when he was there?

Did their fans have the same concern/s as some you've seen on here and what was the turning point, if they did?

Also, I hope you're right.
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Haha yeah I know we’re considered a weird bunch and he’s the only Aussie manager I’ve followed closely as he’s progressed overseas. What he did to turn Brisbane around in such a short time was pretty special and the football he had them playing consistently for a long time was impressive. To then watch him replicate it as he’s taken each step up the ladder has been enjoyable obviously as an Aussie but also as a football fan who likes to watch flowing attacking football.
I did read the Celtic forum as well and their reactions and feedback was pretty much the same as it was when he was coming to you guys. Very sceptical at first, “better league, more pressure, tactically naive, system won’t work here, too open defensively and just have to break against us fast” etc etc so the similarities are definitely there.
Apart from hope when they saw the side starting to evolve initially I think the main turning point was more in the second season (as has been mentioned) once Ange has had time to have a full season and really ingrain his expectations as well as round out the squad with players that fit, culturally as much as on ability, and really have the side all moving in the same way. The other thing people don’t fully grasp is the toll it takes on the players physically over the course of a season which sees a higher injury toll first season but it reduce the following.
Can he do it in the premier league? Time will tell, but any issues won't be because he’s tactically naive or too stubborn to adapt as some have said, he’s very astute and has a good football brain (why he’s sought out for punditry etc) but also has a blueprint of how he wants his side to show up and play in the main and won’t waver from his expectations, just make some tweaks as required.
Sorry it’s so long but hope that helps, will watch on with interest and hope you guys have a strong season.
 
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