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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
skywalker68 said:
Understand what you are saying but, that defending the other night was criminal and so typical of the way we are.
We have been very fortunate in many games that, other teams have not punished us as they should have done, city probably should have been 2-0 before we even got close to their penalty box.
Our games are way too open and exposed, I don't want to see 5-4 what is the fucking point in that, shows both teams are soft as shit.
Ange wants to be the great entertainer then let him, it's his position on the line if it goes south.
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We ourselves have been unfortunate to not punish: Newcastle, Leicester, Roma etc. Its football!
By now you know the traits of the manager. You can see when everyone does their jobs properly, we don't just win, we batter the other team. Expecting him to switch it up and be defensive isn't gonna happen, at least not until he feels the group have properly mastered what he is teaching them. It will cloud things, confuse them and weaken his vision if all of a sudden he starts to go defensive. The players would lose respect and begin to doubt him. It sows bad seeds.
The only way through this is to keep up the style, and master it. Of course it won't always be a pleasant ride, but instead of being down about things, try to enjoy it... when we stick 3s and4s past anyone it should be a glorious day... not time to think oh but they are crap / missing players / had 2 chances to score before we did / etc.
I do hope for some improvement in defense but it won't come as result of playing low block or pragmatically. It will be because the players are gelling and understanding their roles properly so its like breathing, natural. In the meantime we'll have some bumps in the road but its not reason to throw away what is underway, in my opinion.
 
Kuya said:
We ourselves have been unfortunate to not punish: Newcastle, Leicester, Roma etc. Its football!
By now you know the traits of the manager. You can see when everyone does their jobs properly, we don't just win, we batter the other team. Expecting him to switch it up and be defensive isn't gonna happen, at least not until he feels the group have properly mastered what he is teaching them. It will cloud things, confuse them and weaken his vision if all of a sudden he starts to go defensive. The players would lose respect and begin to doubt him. It sows bad seeds.
The only way through this is to keep up the style, and master it. Of course it won't always be a pleasant ride, but instead of being down about things, try to enjoy it... when we stick 3s and4s past anyone it should be a glorious day... not time to think oh but they are crap / missing players / had 2 chances to score before we did / etc.
I do hope for some improvement in defense but it won't come as result of playing low block or pragmatically. It will be because the players are gelling and understanding their roles properly so its like breathing, natural. In the meantime we'll have some bumps in the road but its not reason to throw away what is underway, in my opinion.
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I'm not asking or expecting the manager to be sacked, there isn't anyone who can come in and work under levy that easy.
Of course scoring 3 or 4 is to be celebrated, but not if you're winning 4-3 or losing by that score.
I also don't expect him to change style to a system he is wedded to, if he wants to go all out that is on him, he is accountable for results.
Look we will see how it goes but losing 5 games out of 12 isn't a bump in the road mate.👍
 
Kuya said:
When people talk of prime Barca they don't normally just say oh they won quite a few bits.
That style will be remembered for ages and generations...

We still fondly think of Pochettino and zero trophies. So yeah a style and ethos of playing is important, but please lord can we also have some big shiny trophies this time...
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Prime Barcelona was exceptional, exceptional players and they won a bunch of trophies. Do you think they’d have been mentioned that much if they failed to win stuff?

As for Poch, sure we may remember the playstyle whilst having won nothing because we have won nothing in the almost two decades.
 
Mick Cooper said:
Who died and made you queen?
You don't get to dictate who posts and who doesn't
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Fuck off Michael.

This whole forum, 1882 movement was based off Love the Shirt.

If that’s no longer the case I’d rather not be on here anyway tbh.

Just ban me for good Admin Admin .

Times change. I don’t. Tottenham till I die.
 
SpursRomania said:
Prime Barcelona was exceptional, exceptional players and they won a bunch of trophies. Do you think they’d have been mentioned that much if they failed to win stuff?

As for Poch, sure we may remember the playstyle whilst having won nothing because we have won nothing in the almost two decades.
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It's hard to imagine them not winning stuff.
No most likely not.. however the point was not to play beautiful football and be empty handed.

Winning in style is the point. The ultimate display of victory. When there is zero doubt over the result. When your football overpowers the opposition. When they can't live with it. When the ref considers shaving off 15 minutes as it's such a brutal victory. When the children are crying in the stands. That is what I want to see us do.

I'm not a fusspot, if we win and win dirty I'll take it. But I would rather we win in style and break everyone's hearts who's not Tottenham.
Also winning in style surely means it's no fluke, so we can do it again and again... That is the real point I think. Ange is aiming high...
 
WillWilliams said:
If any other postecoglou fanboys want to just out themselves here that is very helpful.
Be glad to see the back of that type of “fan”.

No interest in our club whatsoever.

After the Mourinho nut jobs don’t need any fucking Australian ones hanging around the place.
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Couldn't resist so I looked at who reacted with the 4 green ticks.

Surprise! Surprise!

It's the Gooner Squad,,,,or should that be the Doomer Squad
 
Mick Cooper said:
Who died and made you queen?
You don't get to dictate who posts and who doesn't
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That's my job!

Waving London GIF by PLAYMOBIL
 
John Thomas said:
Can you give some examples of when a manager should shoulder some responsibility?
What exactly does his role entail if tactics and training ground drills aren't in his remit?
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Context of my comment has been missed, the joy of a forum. My context was that Ange isn’t on the field missing tackles, not marking up etc. That’s on the players. They know what to do. Ffs it’s the most basic of defending that you learn from U8’s. Just like when we miss scoring opportunities. Is that Ange’s fault or the players execution?
 
Kuya said:
We ourselves have been unfortunate to not punish: Newcastle, Leicester, Roma etc. Its football!
By now you know the traits of the manager. You can see when everyone does their jobs properly, we don't just win, we batter the other team. Expecting him to switch it up and be defensive isn't gonna happen, at least not until he feels the group have properly mastered what he is teaching them. It will cloud things, confuse them and weaken his vision if all of a sudden he starts to go defensive. The players would lose respect and begin to doubt him. It sows bad seeds.
The only way through this is to keep up the style, and master it. Of course it won't always be a pleasant ride, but instead of being down about things, try to enjoy it... when we stick 3s and4s past anyone it should be a glorious day... not time to think oh but they are crap / missing players / had 2 chances to score before we did / etc.
I do hope for some improvement in defense but it won't come as result of playing low block or pragmatically. It will be because the players are gelling and understanding their roles properly so its like breathing, natural. In the meantime we'll have some bumps in the road but its not reason to throw away what is underway, in my opinion.
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As Ange says ad nauseam, we need to do plan A better.
 
dudu said:
Exactly.

I want to caveat by saying that just because other teams give up chances, it doesn't mean we should.

But I'm not sure what people genuinely expect from a football team. Every team gives up chances, every team rides their luck and is saved by poor finishing.

It's football in the most competitive league in the world in, so far, one of the most competitive seasons i can remember.

It's fair to want us to be more compact, not play such a high line, cut out individual errors, but we are, defensively, one of the best teams in the league so if we aren't coaching our team to defend then 80% of teams aren't either.

It just doesn't work like that though.
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You might be able to shut me up with statistics and if so fair enough, but are you basing us being one of the best defensive teams in the league due to goals conceded?
If so then I would suggest this is due to Vicario's brilliant shot stopping saves. Again if so then we are not necessarily one of the best defences, we just have a very good keeper and in fact we have quite a poor defences because he has to bail the 4 in front of him out all the time.
 
Nobody3 said:
You might be able to shut me up with statistics and if so fair enough, but are you basing us being one of the best defensive teams in the league due to goals conceded?
If so then I would suggest this is due to Vicario's brilliant shot stopping saves. Again if so then we are not necessarily one of the best defences, we just have a very good keeper and in fact we have quite a poor defences because he has to bail the 4 in front of him out all the time.
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Vicario has made 28 saves in the EPL so far this season. Only Man City have made fewer saves (27).
Liverpool's keeper has made 32, Woolwich's 37, Chelsea 40, Newcastle 48.

Vicario's keeping is not the only reason we have low goals against.
Yes he has made some good saves (+2.9 vs PSxG) but so have Liverpool's (+3.4) and Man U (+4.4).

Edit: look, our defence still has a way to go but the trajectory is good:
2023/24 we conceded 1.53 goals per 90 from 1.67 xG. Vic beat his PSxG by 2.0 over the season so we might have conceded 2 more goals with an "average" keeper.
2024/25 so far we've conceded 1.08 goals per 90 from 1.26 xG. Vic is already 2.9 ahead on PSxG so he has made our goals conceded look better than it is, but the xG conceded trajectory (1.67 -> 1.26) says the defence is improving.

Comparing to 2022/23 where we conceded 1.63 goals per game from 1.31 xG, our defence (xG) got worse between Conte and Ange's first season (which was kind of expected); but goalkeeping improved and we ended up with a net gain. This season we're doing significantly better. United in 2012/13 was the last time anyone won the EPL conceding more than 1 goal per game average so I'd like to see ours below 1 next season.
 
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