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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
On the Rangees game, it's nearly all about mentality and if that's the basis we lose.

It is that simple.

It has yet to be fixed by Postecoglou, partly because he hasn't brought it in, as in players and because whatever he is saying is not being translated onto the pitch.
 
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Raf said:
Wilson has spent most of his career in the championship.

It’s our fault that we have players like Bergvall on the bench because we didn’t target players who improve our starting xi.
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We have to sign your Bergvall's and Gray's because of a poor youth academy and bad squad management by prior coaches. We are taking the hit on them now because in 2 1/2 years time they will be home grown at the club. Same with Vuskovic and Hyuek. Someone on here said Liverpool have two players for every position but that is because they can use their full 25 man squad and don't need to put 2 extra keepers to make up the numbers.
 
Matt1882 said:
I have to be honest, I didn't see this much of a decline coming from City.
I always had a feeling that eventually Pep would run out of ways to keep players playing his style of football. It happened at Barca. It happened at Bayern. I was a little surprised he renewed his contract. I thought maybe he would take a year off and then surface in an oil league or at PSG.
The fact he signed that deal makes it very interesting now. I can't see them sacking him, but I can't see them turning this decline around. The way they're going they'll be out of the top 6 this season which is mind blowing really.

From an optics point of view, I think they'll ask him to resign if this carries on. They can't be seen to be sacking him, not with his record and stature in the game.
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Players get older. De Bruyne, Gundogan, Walker all in their 30’s. Pep could easily come back but City would need a proper rebuild. They look tired.
 
GDG said:
I get a lot of the frustrations with Ange, and there are undoubted issues with some of his approach to tactical setup and substitutions.

But I do still quite like him and back him (I’d probably class myself as wanting to see more before making any rash decisions),The root of a lot of this was the summer though - I just don’t think we had a particularly strong transfer window and we’re really paying the price.

From what I’ve read some of that is on Ange and he’s backed himself too aggressively to polish up some diamonds and not realised the elite level of the PL IMO, but the club haven’t helped either.

For me this is particularly evident in the attacking areas (most of the GK and defensive signings have been decent).

None of Johnson, Solanke or Son (current version) are elite level players and it shows when you watch us play. Odebert is young and TBC, Moore is all potential and Werner isn’t of the required level.

If you compare our attacking options to the clubs in and around us we fall short. Our team would be sooo different with a Salah or a Saka in the side who is a consistent and constant threat to opposing full backs, but also offers a great outlet when under pressure.

I expect the inevitable retort of how many goals we’ve scored, but I don’t think that’s a particularly nuanced way of assessing what goes on in every game. Those attackers contribute to us turning over the ball and allowing dangerous counters time after time.

They also don’t pose enough of a threat to low block defences which we are seeing regularly setup against us.

The big myth is that Spurs have become a spending team over the last few years so board criticism isn’t fair. The reality is whilst transfer spend outlay has been refreshingly high, we’ve avoided anyone on chunky wages to prop up the books and that’s why we still have huge amounts of FFP margin and our wage to turnover ratio is so low.

A 65m player on 150k pw costs much less than a 45m player on 300k pw over a 5 year contract. Attacking signings like Johnson, Werner and Solanke haven’t really been game changers for us in any way.

If you look at this summers signings in particular, only Solanke has made any impact so far, and thus I did think 5th - 7th is where we’d be this season before we got started and that’s looking accurate.

As I said above, I think Ange has some culpability in that but as a club we were ineffective this summer and we’re paying the price currently.

I’m willing to cut Ange some slack because I don’t think our squad is particularly great……
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Rational and well composed post GDG.
 
Don Pedro said:
Exactly. They are bringing on quality like Harry Wilson and Muniz while we are bringing on youngsters like Lankshear and Bergval.

Insane the lack on context when people think we should be beating them easily yesterday. Missing 6 or 7 key players!
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Mate, this is one youre going to have to let go I think.

Many of the same posters who were going on about why us beating City wasn't that impressive aren't giving the same level of context to the result yesterday (we were missing as many, if not more key players than City were when we played them) but the performance was still shocking.

We gave the ball away a ridiculous amount of times and were the masters of our own downfall.

The subs, whilst a fair thing to point out, was not the issue - it provides context as to why we couldn't take advantage of a man advantage but the issues were there all game.
 
Laugh at me all you like.

The reality is we were missing 8 first team players yesterday and ended up bringing on youngsters like Bergval and Lankshear to win the game.

Harry Wilson has proven this season that he can impact a game off the bench and is a decent premier league level player. I hope I'm wrong but Bergval will probably be out on loan in one of the Scandanavian leagues by the end of January. And as for Muniz, he scored 9 league goals last season despite only starting half their games. He was also keeping Jiminez out of the team for their first 6 games so he is very well able back up. Lankshear will be out on loan in the Championship next season.

So yes keep laughing. I'm a troll and an idiot. Glad you all find me amusing. And yes I hope you are all correct and Bergval is better than Wilson and Lankshear is better than Muniz but they are a level below at this moment.
 
Don Pedro said:
Laugh at me all you like.

The reality is we were missing 8 first team players yesterday and ended up bringing on youngsters like Bergval and Lankshear to win the game.

Harry Wilson has proven this season that he can impact a game off the bench and is a decent premier league level player. I hope I'm wrong but Bergval will probably be out on loan in one of the Scandanavian leagues by the end of January. And as for Muniz, he scored 9 league goals last season despite only starting half their games. He was also keeping Jiminez out of the team for their first 6 games so he is very well able back up. Lankshear will be out on loan in the Championship next season.

So yes keep laughing. I'm a troll and an idiot. Glad you all find me amusing. And yes I hope you are all correct and Bergval is better than Wilson and Lankshear is better than Muniz but they are a level below at this moment.
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The problem is you said they were QUALITY when you should have said they had more experienced players to help them get back in the game.
 
Tomo said:
Players get older. De Bruyne, Gundogan, Walker all in their 30’s. Pep could easily come back but City would need a proper rebuild. They look tired.
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This is the thing, they have been buying players to ease in and ease out the older ones, but most of them haven't worked.
And in that time, they have been charged with misconduct and must be wary.

Pep will now have to earn his huge salary and get the best out of what he has I reckon.
Interesting that their outgoing director is being replaced with Hugo Viana, AKA, the director from Sporting who worked with Amorim.
 
Aphex said:
I don't think you are an idiot. Just for some reason completely deluded with Ange.
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I have some doubts for sure. His in game management is questionable and he doesn't show much passion on the touchline.

But overall, I think the football is brilliant and we can go places with this style. I don't buy into the idea that his football is not sustainable or teams have found us out. Indivdual errors, not having decent back up players and a lack of leadership are the things we need to work on. Not his style.

I think we can beat anyone in the league on a going day and thats enough for me to be happy with him. Oddly enough, every Spurs fan always says they'd love to finish 10th but win a cup. I feel like this is what might happen this year
 
Ultimately we are going in circles on this forum. Because Tottenham did not win, its their turn to laugh at me. I get that and I'm not going to stop that.

The context is simple for me. Yesterday was a poor performance. We drew with Fulham but were missing Vicario, VDV, Romero, Bentancur, Solanke, Rich, Odobert and Moore. This is not the straw that broke the camels back
 
Matt1882 said:
The spell Ange has on fans is mind boggling.
I have never seen anything like it in 30+ years.
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For me I can just see the progress. Maybe my expectations going into this Ange era was alot lower than other fans who seem in utter disbeleif that we are not currently 2nd in the league. Because we are only 5 points off second even though they can all name the same 4 awful results
 
Don Pedro said:
Ultimately we are going in circles on this forum. Because Tottenham did not win, its their turn to laugh at me. I get that and I'm not going to stop that.

The context is simple for me. Yesterday was a poor performance. We drew with Fulham but were missing Vicario, VDV, Romero, Bentancur, Solanke, Rich, Odobert and Moore. This is not the straw that broke the camels back
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Ok, so what was the excuse when we went to Chelsea last season when they had 10+ injured and we were near as damnit full strength....and lost.

Why do we get to use injuries as an excuse when we lose, but ignore the fact we keep losing to teams also carrying big injuries?

The 11 we put out yesterday is good enough to beat Fulham. Man for man it is.
But we didn't and we should have lost comfortably but for the woodwork and decent saves.
 
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