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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I don't understand how you can write all of this which is mostly measured and reasonable but when it comes to the core issue - the one I picked you up on originally - in bold, you still repeat the same bollocks.

Ange hasn't mentioned injuries once this season. He mentioned it in this specific presser because he'd been asked over and over why Spurs levels had dropped between the City game and the Fulham one and NOT ONE journo had thought that it might have been losing our Striker and our GK on top of the already debilitating injury list.

You wrote an entire essay lambasting him for deflection for an entirely reasonable observation. It's utterly ludicrous.And its based on ALL THE OTHER reasons you don't rate him. Those are fair enough. Your attack on him about mentioning injuries is not fair at all. And remains overwrought and hysterical.
I appreciate the acknowledgment that most of what I wrote is measured and reasonable; however, your fixation on defending Ange’s comments as “entirely reasonable” while dismissing my critiques as “overwrought and hysterical” feels more like a refusal to engage with the broader context here than a genuine rebuttal.

Ange may have not mentioned injuries all season I will concede on that point as I don't have any facts to back up if he has used this excuse before; but your argument is implying this one-time use is justified, that’s a convenient argument and one many could buy considering the actual injuries we have, but it ignores the crux of my issue: regardless of whether this is the first or fiftieth time, his framing in this specific presser is emblematic of a broader pattern of excuse-making and deflection.

Highlighting injuries—while completely ignoring long-standing tactical issues or his role in the team’s decline—comes off as self-serving rather than constructive and as I have already highlighted, many of the injured players we have out haven't been a consistent driving force for us this season anyway, would having those players back have us winning the Fulham game? I mean, we have had results like this plenty of times this season with a fully fit best 11, so I doubt it.

Ange chose this moment to discuss injuries—after another poor result and under mounting pressure. Coincidence? Hardly. It’s a classic misdirection tactic, we have seen it from previous managers who were walking the plank, shifting focus from his own failings to external factors. That’s not leadership; that’s self-preservation. What frustrates me further is how you and others rush to defend this as “reasonable” while glossing over its strategic timing, Ange is looking out for Ange here, it's not reasonable, it's more excuses.

Also, your assertion that this injury mention is isolated and thus beyond criticism is flawed imo. One-off deflection is still deflection, and the fact that his excuse rests on injuries rather than addressing deeper issues (e.g., tactical rigidity, questionable substitutions, or predictable patterns of play that teams like Fulham can figure out and play against with ease) doesn’t hold water. Context matters, and in this context, his comments appear less about explaining and more about avoiding scrutiny imo.

Calling my critique “overwrought and hysterical” is a lazy dismissal I think, I have presented a logical, well-supported argument based on patterns and context, like I said, I will concede he doesn't always blame injuries but disagreeing with my points is one thing; attempting to invalidate it by caricaturing my stance is another. If anything, your insistence on reducing my points to “bollocks” while ignoring the deeper issues I’ve raised speaks to a lack of willingness to confront the uncomfortable truths about this manager’s approach mate.

I know we could go all night here and we're probably both bored at this point so let me reiterate my core position: I care about Spurs—deeply. I’ve watched this club struggle for decades, and my frustration with Ange is not a knee-jerk reaction to one press conference but a culmination of concerns about his tactics, attitude, and apparent lack of accountability.

The presser isn’t an isolated event; it’s the latest example of a worrying trend with him and while the manager uses injuries as a smokescreen for his tactical failings I believe the club deserves a manager who prioritizes solutions over excuses and doesn’t rely on conveniently-timed narratives to shield themselves from valid criticism.

Our club and supporters deserve better than excuses.
 
Man, hole in one!

FYI, we may have been a ‘losing’ club (Ange has achieved success with nobodies) but we were one of the top 10/15 teams in Europe for years under Poch, consistent top 4 in the best league on earth, CL finalists. A season before Impostercoglu arrived we were top four in the league.

Ange isn’t good enough for the club and never has been. Back to the fucking backwater nowhereville leagues after his big shot at a club that is in a league which matters.
when anged arrived spurs had finished in 8th position and were a mess and sold kane ,the backwater coach got 5th spot in the league. if hes a backwater coach what does that make the other managers before him who failed miserably ?
 
i hope levy has the guts to not listen to the histrionic losing mentality spurs fans who cannot accept reality and keep ange in the job.
Daniel Levy IS the embodiment of the losing mentality festering throughout our football club. His appointment of Postecogolou, a manager no other Big club with comparible resources would have even considered, is further confirmation of this.
 
Not the first time he's been called that
By you ,every single time lol. You make it seem like it's the general consensus, that's a nice tactic you have, you use that with a lot of posters on here but it doesn't work with me Shady. I have never seen anybody else say that about me, would love for you to give me some examples outside of yourself though?

The reason you do this is because you rarely ever debate in good faith or with an open mind, your entire reason for posting on this site seems to be to just troll other posters or try and get a "win" or a captain hindsight "told you so" this has been pretty evident with you from my perspective, can't speak for others though.

And like I have said many times, you can often make good points but you invalidate them by behaving like that but maybe that's something you should take up with a therapist.
 
when anged arrived spurs had finished in 8th position and were a mess and sold kane ,the backwater coach got 5th spot in the league. if hes a backwater coach what does that make the other managers before him who failed miserably ?
Conte got 4th Jose got spurs to a final. Prior to that Spurs had near a decade as a champions league side. But yeah they failed and Ange succeeded. Lol
 
By you, every single time lol, you make it seem like it's the general consensus, that's a nice tactic you have but it doesn't work with me Shady. I have never seen anybody else say that about me, would love for you to give me some examples outside of yourself though?

The reason you do this is because you rarely ever debate in good faith or with an open mind, your entire reason for posting on this site seems to be to just troll other posters or try and get a "win" or a captain hindsight "told you so" this has been pretty evident with you from my perspective, can't speak for others though.

And like I have said many times, you can often make good points but you invalidate them by behaving like that but maybe that's something you should take up with a therapist.

Why do you write these long posts when I never read them 😂
 
Daniel Levy IS the embodiment of the losing mentality festering throughout our football club. His appointment of Postecogolou, a manager no other Big club with comparible resources would have even considered, is further confirmation of this.
he did bring in mourinho and conte who were on massive wages and they were a disaster. im not sure how much ange gets paid but i think it wouldnt be anywhere near what those two were getting .
 
Daniel Levy IS the embodiment of the losing mentality festering throughout our football club. His appointment of Postecogolou, a manager no other Big club with comparible resources would have even considered, is further confirmation of this.
He had no business appointment a man who had not coached at an elite league level. But he was cheap and would work for food. Also Levy wouldn't pay the compensation for Slot.
 
Why do you write these long posts when I never read them 😂
And I couldn't care less if you read them Shady, again, why do you always feel the need to be validated or acknowledged? You make a point of saying you don't care when you clearly do? Otherwise you would just ignore posts, would you not?

You literally spend most of your adult life on this forum getting upset with other people for their opinions and replying to them, who are you trying to convince you don't care or read posts? Me or yourself?
 
I think Ange's initial chest beating defiance of who we are and how we are gonna play lifted everyone from supporters to players and backroom staff but as things went on and real tactics, plan B's where needed he feel short , basically he was found out and a number of those fans and players mentioned have started to lose a little faith.
When your managing one of the top sides in an inferior league the boom boom chest pump along with significant better ability is obviously gonna get you results but so much more is needed in The EPL and Ange doesn't have it for me!
Said it a dozen times already, if AP does get the sack from Spurs I honestly can't see him getting another EPL position. And I think it would be best if he left before the new year.
 
I appreciate the acknowledgment that most of what I wrote is measured and reasonable; however, your fixation on defending Ange’s comments as “entirely reasonable” while dismissing my critiques as “overwrought and hysterical” feels more like a refusal to engage with the broader context here than a genuine rebuttal.

Ange may have not mentioned injuries all season I will concede on that point as I don't have any facts to back up if he has used this excuse before; but your argument is implying this one-time use is justified, that’s a convenient argument and one many could buy considering the actual injuries we have, but it ignores the crux of my issue: regardless of whether this is the first or fiftieth time, his framing in this specific presser is emblematic of a broader pattern of excuse-making and deflection.

Highlighting injuries—while completely ignoring long-standing tactical issues or his role in the team’s decline—comes off as self-serving rather than constructive and as I have already highlighted, many of the injured players we have out haven't been a consistent driving force for us this season anyway, would having those players back have us winning the Fulham game? I mean, we have had results like this plenty of times this season with a fully fit best 11, so I doubt it.

Ange chose this moment to discuss injuries—after another poor result and under mounting pressure. Coincidence? Hardly. It’s a classic misdirection tactic, we have seen it from previous managers who were walking the plank, shifting focus from his own failings to external factors. That’s not leadership; that’s self-preservation. What frustrates me further is how you and others rush to defend this as “reasonable” while glossing over its strategic timing, Ange is looking out for Ange here, it's not reasonable, it's more excuses.

Also, your assertion that this injury mention is isolated and thus beyond criticism is flawed imo. One-off deflection is still deflection, and the fact that his excuse rests on injuries rather than addressing deeper issues (e.g., tactical rigidity, questionable substitutions, or predictable patterns of play that teams like Fulham can figure out and play against with ease) doesn’t hold water. Context matters, and in this context, his comments appear less about explaining and more about avoiding scrutiny imo.

Calling my critique “overwrought and hysterical” is a lazy dismissal I think, I have presented a logical, well-supported argument based on patterns and context, like I said, I will concede he doesn't always blame injuries but disagreeing with my points is one thing; attempting to invalidate it by caricaturing my stance is another. If anything, your insistence on reducing my points to “bollocks” while ignoring the deeper issues I’ve raised speaks to a lack of willingness to confront the uncomfortable truths about this manager’s approach mate.

I know we could go all night here and we're probably both bored at this point so let me reiterate my core position: I care about Spurs—deeply. I’ve watched this club struggle for decades, and my frustration with Ange is not a knee-jerk reaction to one press conference but a culmination of concerns about his tactics, attitude, and apparent lack of accountability.

The presser isn’t an isolated event; it’s the latest example of a worrying trend with him and while the manager uses injuries as a smokescreen for his tactical failings I believe the club deserves a manager who prioritizes solutions over excuses and doesn’t rely on conveniently-timed narratives to shield themselves from valid criticism.

Our club and supporters deserve better than excuses.

Omg - it's having half our team out isn't "convenient" it's a simple fact.

You have every right to question his tactical rigidity, questionable subs; predictable patterns or whatever else -- the sole context of this discussion is that Ange had every right to answer repeated questions about Spurs performance levels between the Man City and Fulham games by referring to losing his Striker and Keeper on top of an existing debilitating injury list.

I accept you care about Spurs deeply and have every right to question the direction we are heading. But you got the specific issue I raised ludicrously wrong. Writing ever more lengthy treatises isn't going to change that.
 
I think Ange's initial chest beating defiance of who we are and how we are gonna play lifted everyone from supporters to players and backroom staff but as things went on and real tactics, plan B's where needed he feel short , basically he was found out and a number of those fans and players mentioned have started to lose a little faith.
When your managing one of the top sides in an inferior league the boom boom chest pump along with significant better ability is obviously gonna get you results but so much more is needed in The EPL and Ange doesn't have it for me!
Said it a dozen times already, if AP does get the sack from Spurs I honestly can't see him getting another EPL position. And I think it would be best if he left before the new year.
He's been over promoted badly. The bravado increasingly looks like insecurity. It's not his fault but the hubris of thinking the K league and Spl were arenas you could simply transfer skill sets from is bloody silly. Klopp and Pepp struggled here first few years.

And you are dead right, the idea he'd get another EPL job after this is for the birds, you know who will look a bigger plumb than Levy? The devotees screen shotting pages from that fawning book about how. " you will doubt the process then you will win big at top club then you will sweep all before you because you are not ready for a bit of high press, and inverted wingers" it's so empty headed it's fucking cringe..

Like Incomplete_usernam Incomplete_usernam pointed out I didn't start watching football this week, because my country man got a job, I'm not suddenly an expert in Kabadi and telling folk in India we know best. I've seen too many football matches, played too many to not recognise: poor coaching, bad decision making and tactical flaws.

We are not lucky to have Ange Postecoglou we are the fourth most profitable sports team on earth. Champions league finalist five years ago and a decade in the ECL. We have seven FA cups two Ueffa cups the cup five league cups, winners cup and we're the first British team to win a European trophy. Guess what when Ange his groupies and Levy fuck off we can get back to who we are. Good night.
 
Not starting Deki was just plain stupid yesterday. Sure you have to rotate to protect players, but with Solanke being out, we couldn’t afford to drop Deki as well.

Werner playing as much as he is - pure insanity, not even close to good enough.

Having said that, I think we stick with Ange until the end of the season unless it goes spectacularly belly up and replace in summer. I would like to see him really push us in the cups - if he could win one then maybe he gets another year to right the wrongs.

Otherwise, I do like Iraola
 
Omg - it's having half our team out isn't "convenient" it's a simple fact.

You have every right to question his tactical rigidity, questionable subs; predictable patterns or whatever else -- the sole context of this discussion is that Ange had every right to answer repeated questions about Spurs performance levels between the Man City and Fulham games by referring to losing his Striker and Keeper on top of an existing debilitating injury list.

I accept you care about Spurs deeply and have every right to question the direction we are heading. But you got the specific issue I raised ludicrously wrong. Writing ever more lengthy treatises isn't going to change that.
I feel we have both exhausted our points but my main point of contention with him is the broader pattern of excuse-making and deflection like I said previously.

Whilst obviously our injury concerns are valid and he has the right to use that to excuse our performance if he wishes, I think by doing so he is proclaiming that the performance against Fulham would have somehow been better with these players back from injury when the season has shown, even with a fully fuctional squad of our best players, these type of results continue to happen, hence why I think it's pure deflection.

Having key players out is a valid factor, but it doesn’t fully account for why similar tactical and structural issues were evident throughout the season against teams that frankly, we should be beating when the squad was mostly fit or fully fit, it screams of self-preservation in this instance, even if it's true in isolation.

I respect your perspective, and I agree that stability at the club is important. But stability without progress feels like stagnation to me, even regression in this instance.

My critique is simply about ensuring the club doesn’t settle for mediocrity. If Ange wants to succeed, he needs to show adaptability and stop leaning on narratives to protect his ego and image and start working on solutions imo.

Anyway, nice debate mate, appreciate the lengthy discussion.
 
Not sure how a manager that is five points off second spot, has the second best goal difference, in the quarters of the League Cup, and in ok position to qualify in top 8 for Europa League, all while having a rebuilding team with the third average youngest age, while beset with injuries has such a large portion of this forum looking to hang him.

Sure he’s had issues, especially with consistency, this year but not worthy of being fired. Could easily see a leap in the new year
 
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