Manager Ange Postecoglou

[Robba]

Ange had the chance to prove his great coach cred between seasonsI don't care about his "philosophy" and other mumbo jumbo. His team had serious problems at the end of last season. His most cherished game strategy top of the pile. It's absolute shit. Not one game is won because of it. His team has won by overcoming it. It really is that horrible.

Ange is not completely stupid. He knows it doesn't work. One team gets to a certain level (premier league) his patchwork quilt of nonsense not only can be defended, it can be attacked. As competition standard goes up so does the importance of errors. The better the standard the higher likelihood of punishment for it.

Ange should of changed strategy between seasons. He has very good players and something more orthodox would be fine. You blokes would've won all those games by losing to shit sides and Ange would now talked about as the true son of the football gods. Instead this flop is out the door. His strategy dross doesn't work on regulation fodder, they all beat it. Endlessly droning on about the process. What fucking process? Does include complete humiliation?

Also most of your blokes wouldn't be injured. The absolute shit system runs most them to the point of exhaustion papering over its multiple cracks.

Ange is a poor coach not a great one. He sees stubbin as being tough. It's not, and hes not. Everything with this bloke is the last stand at the Alamo. A goal being scored is of less importance than a goal conceded. Yet this clown wants his team running about like theyre looking for a world cup winner. It's all dramatised going down with the titanic bullshit. Another game lost because not enough scorers. Everyone will learn some fucking thing, it's all part of the process. I'm starting to think this bloke is one of the greatest con man doing is stuff in front of our eyes.

Why do you think Ange does unorthodox pointless things? I think it's because when Ange was a run of the mill normal game plan coach he didn't get noticed. That may well have been because he was just ordinary. Some people just haven't got it no matter how much they want it.

You then start playing a ridicules suicide game, talking like a 300 year old wise man in meaningless babble. Find yourself your very own philosophy and a tag a long band of acolytes and bamb your coaching at the sixth biggest football club.

I think this bloke ducks out every two years because the script runs out. Off to somewhere else to start the same nonsense all over.

He plays suicide ball because it's who we are gives him a cover.The warrior coach persona means people don't question his very odd decisions or judge him against someone that does have some idea what the fuck their game objective is. Things like actually winning games perhaps. When is winning ever mentioned as part of the mythical process? Does the all knowing process have tangible things that the coach can be judged on?

ONCE I had a deep look at this blokes game set up. Listened to him talk what the objective was How the objective was to be met. The risks of the objective I've sadly come to the conclusion he has no fucking idea. This blokes winging it.

Good luck with this clown. Nobody is going anywhere with the garbage he's spruiking.

 

[daveyboy88]

Why would his hurt ego make him go over there? How would it help his ego to go and get called a fat cunt,

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[Incomplete_usernam]

Why would his hurt ego make him go over there? How would it help his ego to go and get called a fat cunt,

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Because he wanted to give some back to the supporters to make himself feel better about the shambles on the pitch, that's what it's all about with him.

When his back is up against the wall, he feels the pressure and lashes out, you have seen it with reporters and you have seen it with supporters, then once he's in his press conference before the next game it's all "cool and calm mate" it's not the first time he has done it and it won't be the last either.

Rich surely you must see it at this point mate?

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

So Newcastle were smashed by Brentford today after they beat Chelsea and the Goons and drew with Liverpool in their last game.

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Ah ok, in that case, Ange in!

 

[Richard Arlison]

Because he wanted to give some back to the supporters to make himself feel better about the shambles on the pitch, that's what it's all about with him.

When his back is up against the wall, he feels the pressure and lashes out, you have seen it with reporters and you have seen it with supporters, then once he's in his press conference before the next game it's all "cool and calm mate" it's not the first time he has done it and it won't be the last either.

Rich surely you must see it at this point mate?

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But he didn’t give some back?

He went over there and pointed at himself saying it’s his fault. How is that giving some back to the fans?

 

[CaptainCabinets]

The major issue for me is the way the club have been losing games/dropping points. I could perhaps accept some of these defeats if I could see evidence of a style being implemented to a certain degree of success.

For example take the Ipswich game. It's ridiculous the club the size of Tottenham are losing at home to a team who cannot buy a win literally anywhere else. I understand flukes and misfortune can happen. So while losing 2-1 at home to (a very poor) Ipswich is always a catastrophic result, you would least expect it to have come with Spurs having dominated by creating chance after chance and maybe a combo of great saves, heroic defending or just profligate finishing on the day to have worked against Spurs, while Ipswich were just more clinical. It's football these things happen.

And even if sometimes a team can be unusually just be awful on the day, it can be put to a one-off. Fine.

The trouble is Ipswich rocked up, outplayed Spurs and strolled to a relatively easy win. And Spurs have been putting out terrible clueless displays like this far too regularly now for a very long time.

Where's the hope of it turning around? Where's the improvement? I just don't see it. Spurs could beat Chelsea but when you know a calamitous performance is 90% likely to follow after it dampens the euphoria of what would be a magnificent win. For a football fan it's unforgivable to be reduced to such apathy in those circumstances.

The owners are the main problem, I get that, but even then there are better managers around than this. I don't always encourage a sacking, but for me Ange has been given far more chances and time than much better predecessors and it's becoming more obvious that he and his coaching staff are not up to standard, even considering this weak squad.

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

But he didn’t give some back?

He went over there and pointed at himself saying it’s his fault. How is that giving some back to the fans?

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No he didn't lol.

He said "Me?! Me?! Ok..." *nods nods*

He also walked over all puffed up like he was about to be a tough guy, obviously he did say before that if anyone says abusive things he would "punch them in the mouth" and they "wouldn't say it again" but that didn't seem to happen for some reason here? *shrugs*

Sorry mate, he's a buffoon imo.

 

[OziBeerMan]

But he didn’t give some back?

He went over there and pointed at himself saying it’s his fault. How is that giving some back to the fans?

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That’s how I saw it too. He took ownership. And as he said in the presser that they ( the travelling support) deserved the opportunity to give him direct feedback. I mean the haters can hate him all they like but the twisting of facts to suit your narrative ffs

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/noO01t0iQQ0?si=WRpeqLX6dioph1OF

 

[Deuterz]

Do we reckon Celtic would do a straight swap with Rodgers?

I imagine not - probably feel they have the better coach now which is about right. Even had a couple of decent European results this season, something Ange never managed.

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

That’s how I saw it too. He took ownership. And as he said in the presser that they ( the travelling support) deserved the opportunity to give him direct feedback. I mean the haters can hate him all they like but the twisting of facts to suit your narrative ffs

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/noO01t0iQQ0?si=WRpeqLX6dioph1OF

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Of course that’s how you viewed it lol.

Twisting of facts to suit the narrative?

Look at the full video on YouTube rather than the one that cuts off his face LOL! Let me link it for you…


View: https://youtu.be/TmXCUwk-Tyk?si=580BAQGGGzLoM95L


You can quite literally see him say “Me? Me? Ok…*nods, nods* that’s not taking blame that’s quite literally the opposite and you can even see it in his body language.

Honestly it’s a lost cause at this point with some of you.

I am certain though that you most certainly are a lifelong Spurs supporter, have no agenda or intention to “twists facts to suit your narrative” and that joining the forum on the exact day he signed as manager has nothing to do with your opinions, or the fact that you’re Australian.

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

I don’t know who is/was worse, the Jose fanboys we had when he was manager or the Ange fanboys.

I genuinely think if Ange set up an OnlyFans some of you lot would sub.

 

[Wild Night]

That is right, but it is also probably irrelevant. The people who post here are not typical of the overall fan base which is still supportive of the manager. Postecoglou often says he doesn't have a Plan B and its likely Levy and the board don't either. Postecoglou is the ideal manager for Levy right now. He's got a large and vocal following that believes he's the best manager Spurs have had, his teams play a style of football the fans like, and he won't push hard for a bigger payroll. If Levy fired Postecoglou he would be blamed by much of the fanbase for Postecoglou's not producing a winner. Firing Postecoglou gets him nothing. Short of being relegated, which won't happen, Postecoglou is fireproof.

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Not sure fireproof is the right description , if we lose to Chelsea badly then every option is on the table . You forget it's Levy we're talking about , the guy has a light trigger finger when he thinks things aren't going well , don't forget what he done to Jol or the timing when he sacked Mourinho , plus numerous others that have got the gun .
I like Ange and I understand what he's trying to achieve and would definitely give him this season , get his main men back and then see what happens , but when the industry has a history of very little patience and very few are prepared to give things time , seeing him sacked would not surprise me , but I support Spurs so I'll just move on to the next fall guy and hope that he's the one with the winning ticket . Not holding my breath .

 

[Phomesy]

But he didn’t give some back?

He went over there and pointed at himself saying it’s his fault. How is that giving some back to the fans?

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He went to protect his players.

What a cunt.

 

[Wild Night]

I think we are big enough to pluck Marco Silva or Iraola even mid-season if we offered them big money and were willing to pay out their compo, I think either would have us much better coached than we are under Ange and both are working miracles with their respective squads.

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Mate I love your confidence but your guessing if you think either of those guys and others names that have been thrown out are the silver bullet . None of them have what you would call hugely successful careers , they would all have to walk in to work with the same players , and if you think they aren't part of the problem as well then I think your being a little naive . Fulham got shafted at home by Wolves a couple of weeks ago , bottom of the table team , Bournemouth as good as they look at home they have looked poor in other games , with a leaky defense , as good as they can look the managers aren't performing "miracles" .
No such thing as a sure fire success by firing Ange and getting one of these guys in , if they don't hit the ground running how long till everybody starts howling for their blood , remember Nuno , 12 games , look at him now .
Take Amorin at Man U , the second coming apparently , yeah right maybe , but he has to work with the same players that ETH did , was it all on ETH . What do you think Amorin is think after the last couple of games , WTF could be going through his mind . Man U beaten comprehensively by Notts Forest this yesterday , managed by Nuno who we sacked after 12 games , go figure . Now if he hadn't been here for that short period his would be another name thrown out as a possible replacement .
Too simplistic to say oh sack him and get this guy ASAP and we're in clover , the best appointments are the deliberate ones .
I still hope that Ange will turn it around , and I've been around long enough to have learnt patience , and often if you are prepared to be patient good things come .

 

[SpurFromOz]

He went to protect his players.

What a cunt.

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Had he gone down the tunnel straight away... " what a cunt and coward "..

He goes to the crowd " dumb fat cunt "...

 

[Phomesy]

Had he gone down the tunnel straight away... " what a cunt and coward "..

He goes to the crowd " dumb fat cunt "...

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There's a certain element who, somewhat bizarrely, have to impute to Postecoglou malign motives and character traits that... are completely fictitious. Like when he mentions our injury crisis the one and only time he's suddenly "using excuses rather than taking responsibility" ... Or he approached the crowd to seek a fight when clearly he did not...

I can only surmise that these people feel a bit... perhaps guilty about their own hostile feelings towards him as a manager and have to make stuff up that makes them feel better about it?

It's very weird - you can think a manager is not up to the job without having to make them out be a complete cunt to justify that opinion.

 

[SpurFromOz]

There's a certain element who, somewhat bizarrely, have to impute to Postecoglou malign motives and character traits that... are completely fictitious. Like when he mentions our injury crisis the one and only time he's suddenly "using excuses rather than taking responsibility" ... Or he approached the crowd to seek a fight when clearly he did not...

I can only surmise that these people feel a bit... perhaps guilty about their own hostile feelings towards him as a manager and have to make stuff up that makes them feel better about it?

It's very weird - you can think a manager is not up to the job without having to make them out be a complete cunt to justify that opinion.

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Checks Phomesy 's join date to ensure he isn't a Fanboy.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Football cannot be simplified to such basic principles.

A truly exceptional manager is someone who makes a team more than the sum of their parts. He does not try and repeatedly force square pegs into round holes. He tinkers with his setup, adjusting the position of those holes, to maximise what he has at his disposal. Overtime, if he is lucky, he gets the type of players that can accommodate his more natural approach.

You can be a perfectly attacking, aggressive team without repeatedly making the same mistakes. To require, for example, Dragusin and Ben Davies to play the ball out from the back is silly. They are not good enough to do it. You have someone drop back and help them. You support the individuals in the team and give them confidence, rather than hanging them out to dry.

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Because if you don’t, eventually they’ll stop doing it or trying to do it. They’ve got to be motivated and if they start losing the modern day footballer isn’t one to knuckle down to try and change it. Instead they go off moaning to their agents who then get on the blower to levy.

 

[Mick Cooper]

Daily Telegraph article

Sam Wallace
Postecoglou in danger of being Levy sacrifice
There is only one thing more dangerous for embattled Tottenham Hotspur managers than a disgruntled support directing grievances at them – and that is when the same fans turn on Daniel Levy.

The chairman of Spurs, who has piled up 11 major managerial departures on his watch, gets very jumpy when the supporters aim their rage at him. Over and again, Levy has offered up the manager as a sacrifice – and most of the time it works. The anger abates, the world turns. Levy is not a popular man at the club he has run for two decades. But he is still the man who runs it, and that appears to be the priority.

Enter Ange Postecoglou, the manager who came from nowhere – a dreamer of sorts, a high-line absolutist with a troubled countenance. A man who observes the kind of joyfully reckless football he demands of his players with a touchline aspect of stoic forbearance. It can be a strange combination. In his darker moments, Postecoglou can conduct press conferences with the grim resignation of an old Prussian general who has just had the day’s casualty numbers whispered in his ear.

At a loss: Ange Postecoglou on the touchline during Spurs’ 1-0 defeat by Bournemouth
Sometimes one wonders: does Postecoglou know? Surely, he knows. He must know how it ended for all the others, from Glenn Hoddle to Mauricio Pochettino; from Jose Mourinho to Nuno Espirito Santo, who barely seemed to be there at all.

It could all come apart today for Postecoglou, with a supporter base strung out and frazzled on a lifetime of recriminations. Facing Chelsea at home is freighted with all the usual regrets for Spurs. Discounting even the wider picture, which is to say the divergence in the two clubs’ fortunes over the past two decades, there is the divergence in the past two months alone.

Even Chelsea, leveraged up on private equity cash, living in the far margins of the financial control hinterlands, seem to have momentum. Spurs, on the other hand, are back to quarrelling among themselves. Postecoglou confronting his own supporters at Bournemouth on Thursday felt in keeping with the repeating of a story. A story that endures through many managers, and their many approaches – the iron fist, the arm-around-the-shoulder, three at the back, wing-backs. There have been three home stadiums, one Amazon Prime documentary, Harry Kane’s Skechers boot deal. It never changes.
One can understand Postecoglou’s reasons for refusing to back down in the face of that away-support hostility. We know his backstory, which is an uplifting tale of immigration, adversity, and triumph against the odds. The trouble is he thinks this is all about him. But the 21st-century story of Spurs is never about the manager, whoever he might be. It is about Levy. It is always about Levy at Spurs. He has even outlasted the ruthless Caribbean-domiciled billionaire, Joe Lewis, who enabled his rise to chairman. Another managerial career added to the body count is not going to make much difference.

Which is why Postecoglou needs the supporters – and why those same fans wield such power. When they demand the end of Levy and the reign of Spurs’ parent company Enic, what they are actually effecting is managerial change.

Postecoglou, for his part, has never cashed in what would be an entirely reasonable complaint that he lost Kane before he had even coached a game. Son Heung-min, Hugo Lloris’s successor as captain, is 32 and while still outstanding on his day, the day is closer to its end. Spurs spent £100 million on five teenagers in the summer and Postecoglou has owned the decision on behalf of the club without complaint.

With the fans, Postecoglou has been less sure-footed. The nose-to-nose at Bournemouth followed his grim verdict after the Brighton capitulation which added to the despair. He never quite grasped the essence of the debate when the general mood among Spurs supporters was that they did not wish to help Woolwich’s title prospects when they faced Manchester City at the end of last season. Even if that imperilled their own Champions League qualification.

That would have been an easy issue for Postecoglou to leave alone. Postecoglou will know from his time in Glasgow that supporters’ list of priorities can look peculiar from the outside and that often it is best not to ask, or to challenge. They have their reasons, and that is a debate no manager can ever win. What most fans, of any stripe, cannot stand is being told how to define the nature of that support.

Levy’s most successful manager, Pochettino, did not put a trophy on the boardroom table either, but he kept the complaints of the supporters about Levy at bay for longer than any other. At his most strategic, Pochettino created the notion of a manager-chairman partnership with Levy – a bromance sealed over a white-water rafting trip. But, in the end, it was not enough to save him, either.

There is something compelling about what Postecoglou offers. The nature of the approach, and his resolve to live and die by that. But he has to know what he is up against. In this case, a club with supporters who feel permanently at the end of their tether, and a chairman who is committed to keeping them just about on it. The temptation for any Spurs manager is to believe that the unique experiences of their life mean that the usual rules of the club do not apply to them. So far, all have been proven wrong.

 

[Furball man]

Haha I don't like ange but not giving him time and expecting mckenna to be given time is stupid sadly not a big name and fans will turn quick. Levy is a cunt for putting the club in this situation

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I’ve no idea, but McKenna was at Spurs

“Upon graduating from Loughborough University, McKenna was hired as the Head of Academy Performance Analysis at Tottenham Hotspur. He eventually became coach of our U18”

The cynical could say he’s knowledgeable about our yoof set up & we seem to be heading in the direction of finding & buying prospects