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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
In my humble there isn't one EL opponent better than mid level PL. Not one. Certainly they all should be beaten over two legs by a mostly fit Spurs team.

The final well they do often come down to a little luck one way or the other. Most certainly Spurs should be looking at making the final as a minimum. Ange would know this without doubt.
?.....are you on about this Utd game?
It's just one game/leg isn't it??
 
It’s not the CL or the premier league. It’s the 3rd rated cup. That’s a hard fact. Still hard to win though due to the strength of the premier league.

We’ve gone from Poch talking about wining the big trophies to Ange saying he wants to challenge for the title to “well another League cup win is better than nothing.”

I’m hopeful Amorim uses it for fringe players as he’s made it clear that the PL title is his ultimate ambition and the narrative is always that CL football is the minimum for a club like Manchester United.
Similar to how you expect to see Real Madrid in the competition. Not the Europa league.

That right there is the difference between the two clubs. We just don’t have that same level of expectation.

Ange came out and said Top 4 is not important last season. Imagine the uproar if the Real Madrid manager said that.
They would fight tooth and nail to be in that competition and then would be there to win it.

To paraphrase Poch. We’ve got the nice house but IKEA furniture at this moment in time. (Sorry Deki)
Our last trophy was in 2008 , take away the so called "3rd rated" cup and we last won the FA cup in 1991 - thats fucking 33 years ago!!!
I get what your saying in that its not considered one of the better cups however we are in no position what so ever to turn our noses up at any kind of silverware, I think this is one of the reasons Poch went wrong, maybe with a young squad like we have now same as Poch, winning any kind of cups gets them that feeling of winning and starts to build that winning mentality , maybe had Poch built that winning mentality in the squad by winning a smaller cup we might have turned up in a bigger game?

Look at teams like United, they win cups in their sleep , even at united worst they won more than us , how much of that is because people like Fergie created a winning mentality at the club?
 
It happened to Anges Squad at Celtic and its happening here -


The good news is it looks like he has realised maybe with the intensity of the PL and the way he plays \ trains some tweaks need to be made however from the big man himself -

"he acknowledged that given the intensity with which they train and play, injuries are unavoidable."

I think as well part of this comes from not having a Squad good enough but then look at the way Ange has played Porro into the ground and only now just started to give Spence a run out . I understand the Injuries are a part of the game but the Premier league is a long tough slog, made even worse by being in Europa and all the cups still, squad management needs to be better if we are to win anything!

Just ease off it training, it can’t be that hard. If the players are professional enough they’ll still start games with the required intensity? ……oh.
 
It happened to Anges Squad at Celtic and its happening here -


The good news is it looks like he has realised maybe with the intensity of the PL and the way he plays \ trains some tweaks need to be made however from the big man himself -

"he acknowledged that given the intensity with which they train and play, injuries are unavoidable."

I think as well part of this comes from not having a Squad good enough but then look at the way Ange has played Porro into the ground and only now just started to give Spence a run out . I understand the Injuries are a part of the game but the Premier league is a long tough slog, made even worse by being in Europa and all the cups still, squad management needs to be better if we are to win anything!
Context is that he gets injuries in his first season. Second season they always calm down as players adjust and their bodies adapt to the intensity.

Only not at Spurs. And let's not pretend this is our first rodeo. I can't think of a manager who didn't have a huge injury crisis at Spurs.
 
It’s not the CL or the premier league. It’s the 3rd rated cup. That’s a hard fact. Still hard to win though due to the strength of the premier league.

We’ve gone from Poch talking about wining the big trophies to Ange saying he wants to challenge for the title to “well another League cup win is better than nothing.”

I’m hopeful Amorim uses it for fringe players as he’s made it clear that the PL title is his ultimate ambition and the narrative is always that CL football is the minimum for a club like Manchester United.
Similar to how you expect to see Real Madrid in the competition. Not the Europa league.

That right there is the difference between the two clubs. We just don’t have that same level of expectation.

Ange came out and said Top 4 is not important last season. Imagine the uproar if the Real Madrid manager said that.
They would fight tooth and nail to be in that competition and then would be there to win it.

To paraphrase Poch. We’ve got the nice house but IKEA furniture at this moment in time. (Sorry Deki)
League Cup is much bigger than the charity shield tbf.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksp...s-journalist-Woolwich-trophy-carabao-cup/amp/

Of course the link doesn't work because of the crybaby filter.
 
Context is that he gets injuries in his first season. Second season they always calm down as players adjust and their bodies adapt to the intensity.

Only not at Spurs. And let's not pretend this is our first rodeo. I can't think of a manager who didn't have a huge injury crisis at Spurs.
Makes you laugh though as we always hear about our top of the range facilities and world class training ground yet we always seem to be near the top of the table for Players missing days injured etc.
I do think having such a poor squad doesn't help though, if you look at chelsea who are doing really well with avoiding injuires this season they also have a massive billion pound squad so can rotate more, I could be wrong here though as I don't really follow them much so maybe they start the same 11 every game and its the PED's that keep them fit?
 
Makes you laugh though as we always hear about our top of the range facilities and world class training ground yet we always seem to be near the top of the table for Players missing days injured etc.
I do think having such a poor squad doesn't help though, if you look at chelsea who are doing really well with avoiding injuires this season they also have a massive billion pound squad so can rotate more, I could be wrong here though as I don't really follow them much so maybe they start the same 11 every game and its the PED's that keep them fit?
Chelsea spent money on players
We spent money on facilities

They have won everything multiple times in the same period Levy has won diddly squat.

But we have nice, generic, stadium.
 
Chelsea spent money on players
We spent money on facilities

They have won everything multiple tiles in the same period Levy has won diddly squat.

But we have nice, generic, stadium.
Chelsea isn't really a fair barometer when it comes to success though, Roman literally pumped millions in each season out of his own pocket as he wanted to win , no matter what the costs , a bit like City.
If it wasn't for the illegal doping of City and Chelsea then neither of them clubs would have had anywhere near the kinds of silverware they do now!
 
Chelsea isn't really a fair barometer when it comes to success though, Roman literally pumped millions in each season out of his own pocket as he wanted to win , no matter what the costs , a bit like City.
If it wasn't for the illegal doping of City and Chelsea then neither of them clubs would have had anywhere near the kinds of silverware they do now!
Chelsea grew the club with success.
They now make more money than the majority of teams through that success on the pitch.
We grew with old field investment. Which means nothing to us fans.
 
Chelsea grew the club with success.
They now make more money than the majority of teams through that success on the pitch.
We grew with old field investment. Which means nothing to us fans.

And that was without breaking every FFP going, don't get me wrong I would rather have had the success that Cheslea have than be able to say "we are doing it the right way" but you can't deny the fact that Chelsea cheated their way to success , we are not the same as them!
 
Chelsea isn't really a fair barometer when it comes to success though, Roman literally pumped millions in each season out of his own pocket as he wanted to win , no matter what the costs , a bit like City.
If it wasn't for the illegal doping of City and Chelsea then neither of them clubs would have had anywhere near the kinds of silverware they do now!
If it was not for illegal doping neither Chelsea or Man City would exist. Chelsea were hours from possible liquidation when Roman bought them and Man City were bought by a thief who was on the verge of going to Prison in Thaskin.

The fact is with all of Man City, Chelsea and PSG there has been absolute failure from the Footballing Associations to protect the fans. These clubs have caused the cost of world football to balloon more than any other clubs and have completely distorted the picture of World Football.

When PSG signed Neymar from Barcelona it completely changed world football.
 

And that was without breaking every FFP going, don't get me wrong I would rather have had the success that Cheslea have than be able to say "we are doing it the right way" but you can't deny the fact that Chelsea cheated their way to success , we are not the same as them!
They didn't really cheat as FFP didn't exist for about 10 years of his reign.
They didn't really do anything different to Jack Walker buying the title for Blackburn or any other club with bigger wallets than the rest, and I include United in that.

The money was dirty, but what mega wealth isn't dirty somewhere along the lines?

I doubt a single one of us would be sat here today complaining if it was us that was bought instead of them.
 
There's hardly a single physical item anywhere that alludes to it being THFC stadium.
There's an enormous golden cockerel on top the the south stand. There's a golden cockerel just above the tunnel. I don't need to see the words "Tottenham Hotspur" everywhere to know where it is. But even if I did, the concourses are plastered with THFC stuff. Photos of old teams, players, matches, the old stadium, old maps of Tottenham. It's plastered everywhere. From outside It's an instantly recognisable stadium with a unique design. The one thing it is not is generic.

I'm as miffed at Levy as most at the moment but I think this is just scraping the barrel for complaints when the real problem is what's happening on the pitch, and again it's a diversion from what really matters.
 
They didn't really cheat as FFP didn't exist for about 10 years of his reign.
They didn't really do anything different to Jack Walker buying the title for Blackburn or any other club with bigger wallets than the rest, and I include United in that.

The money was dirty, but what mega wealth isn't dirty somewhere along the lines?

I doubt a single one of us would be sat here today complaining if it was us that was bought instead of them.

What?




 
Makes you laugh though as we always hear about our top of the range facilities and world class training ground yet we always seem to be near the top of the table for Players missing days injured etc.
I do think having such a poor squad doesn't help though, if you look at chelsea who are doing really well with avoiding injuires this season they also have a massive billion pound squad so can rotate more, I could be wrong here though as I don't really follow them much so maybe they start the same 11 every game and its the PED's that keep them fit?
It’s probably a bit of both.

We usually end up over reliant on our starting 11-15 because we don’t have a deep enough squad. And I also wonder if we are using the same recovery “protocols” as the likes of Liverpool and City etc

Does make a mockery of the mega money training ground though
 
Chelsea isn't really a fair barometer when it comes to success though, Roman literally pumped millions in each season out of his own pocket as he wanted to win , no matter what the costs , a bit like City.
If it wasn't for the illegal doping of City and Chelsea then neither of them clubs would have had anywhere near the kinds of silverware they do now!
But they did do that and this is the league we are in. Sowe need to put up or shut up.

The excuses about other clubs having more money to spend doesn’t wash when you charge the highest ticket prices in Europe and your owners invest less of their own money than any other club in the league.
 
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