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Deuterz said:
Getting results? We’re 10th. If we lose to Liverpool it’ll be one win in 5 league games and we could drop as low as 13th.

We won a league cup game and smashed Southampton but not sure he’s getting results in general at all. We are losing or drawing more than winning.

When we had a fully fit squad at the start of the season we kicked off with a draw at home to Leicester and then spent most of the time hovering around 8th. Almost the entire team was fit for the Ipswich debacle.

I agree we are holding it together somewhat given a genuinely bad injury crisis and he does deserve credit for that. But honestly it feels like so much of the love for him is based on feelings and myths.
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Tbf Larry David Larry David was specifically talking about the results since the injury crisis and, although you do give credit to that, I don't think it's quite appreciated enough on here or the wider footballing world. What Gray is doing at CB is simply astonishing and I think we've all expected the wheels to drop off and... they haven't?

If nothing else I do think it shows that the team (what's left of it) are still buying in. And that deserves acknowledgment.

Everything you say about the dropped points early and the Ipswich game are absolutely fair enough.
 
I honestly think we could lose on Sunday, actually be 13th and still have posters talking about how great the season is going due to a league cup semi and .. vibes. Even if we lost to Forest it feels like some would be fully on board with justifying it.

People say Spurs fans are entitled etc but this has to be proof of the opposite. Any other top 6 fanbase are unified in their absolute disgust if they’re even sniffing the bottom half of a table!

United sacked their manager who won two cups for it already this season.
 
Ionman34 said:
TBH, that hasn't aged too well for him. He's had far more fails than wins in the last decade or so.
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Wenger is a more important figure in the tactical and philosophical history of the game and Mourinho has far more trophies, and both of them are totally satisfied with that, both got what they wanted.

The two of them had absolutely zero respect for the other's outlook on life and sport, that's what made it such a delicious rivalry.
 
Dixiefish61 said:
Listen thrush, I know exactly where I am and what I’m on about. And as I said, if he wins something, who cares
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Phomesy said:
Tbf Larry David Larry David was specifically talking about the results since the injury crisis and, although you do give credit to that, I don't think it's quite appreciated enough on here or the wider footballing world. What Gray is doing at CB is simply astonishing and I think we've all expected the wheels to drop off and... they haven't?

If nothing else I do think it shows that the team (what's left of it) are still buying in. And that deserves acknowledgment.

Everything you say about the dropped points early and the Ipswich game are absolutely fair enough.
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I think we’ve done well to be relatively competent and put together post injury crisis.. we haven’t been slapped silly in any game (although Bournemouth should have been really) and have treaded water.

But results wise even considering injury crisis it’s still not like we’ve powered through and consistently picked up points. Performances wise, sure.

Gray is really good. I don’t think it’s the miracle some think it is. He was a key man for the 3rd best team in the championship last season. He’s very versatile and played numerous positions there too. We spent a lot of money + a valuable player on him for a reason.

He was brilliant in the cup vs Chelsea for Leeds last season too - the lad is really good, mature and had a decent chunk of senior football experience prior to Spurs.
 
Os22 said:
Well very true except this isn’t the entire story.

This happens in both directions, and it’s tiring in both directions. You’re absolutely correct, there are some posters who are doom mongers. I imagine they are sad about all aspects of life no matter what.

Problem is the toxicity goes both ways, if we lose you’re right there are lots of doom mongers types. However when we win, there’s a whole group of people who log in just to mock people who have said they don’t believe Ange takes us anywhere. There was a post in the match thread yesterday when we went three nil up, where someone actually said “I just logged in to tell the Ange out idiots that you don’t deserve this performance” this is equally as moronic. A win means people you trawling threads saying things like “so you don’t like it when we win?” “Does us winning make you happy?” “You’re Ange out so you can’t enjoy our wins” it’s ridiculous in other directions.

Liking Ange as a manger doesn’t make you any more of a fan than someone who supports the club but doesn’t think the manager will work out. The poster you quoted put it very well, you can do both.

It’s people on both sides of this that need to get over themselves and realise that people can have different views and that ALL of them can still be Spurs fans. It’s just a shame there’s a very small amount of extremes on both ‘sides’.
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Come on it's a bit of fun, it's all light hearted at the end of the day, as long as it doesn't get personal then it's all good.
 
Deuterz said:
I honestly think we could lose on Sunday, actually be 13th and still have posters talking about how great the season is going due to a league cup semi and .. vibes. Even if we lost to Forest it feels like some would be fully on board with justifying it.

People say Spurs fans are entitled etc but this has to be proof of the opposite. Any other top 6 fanbase are unified in their absolute disgust if they’re even sniffing the bottom half of a table!

United sacked their manager who won two cups for it already this season.
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Yeah and in the same breath we could win on Sunday and the same posters would still be complaining about being 8th and how we lost to Palace.

Just the way it is.

Edit: fwiw we lose to Liverpool (likely all considering) there’s no denying it the league campaign will be in a bad position. But it’s December and not impossible for the team to go on a run and climb the table.
More important we’d still be in every cup and have chances to win things.
 
Deuterz said:
I honestly think we could lose on Sunday, actually be 13th and still have posters talking about how great the season is going due to a league cup semi and .. vibes. Even if we lost to Forest it feels like some would be fully on board with justifying it.

People say Spurs fans are entitled etc but this has to be proof of the opposite. Any other top 6 fanbase are unified in their absolute disgust if they’re even sniffing the bottom half of a table!

United sacked their manager who won two cups for it already this season.
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So how well do you think Woolwich would be doing without

Raya
Gabriel
Saliba
Timber
Odegaard

All at the same time plus 6 of their regularly used subs ( not just peripheral players) were out . They struggled just without Odegaard

Take out of Liverpool

Van Dyke
Konate
Robinson
Gravenberch

I won’t mention goalkeepers cos Kelleher is no Forster he is levels above Forster

Then knockout 6 subs that they regularly use


Both the above have vastly superior squad depth than Ange has been given.. As for Chelsea their squad depth is off the chart

Let’s not forget how Woolwich crumbled when they lost Saliba alone for 6 games towards the end of the season before last .

Think there is a serious lack of appreciation of the hand Ange has been dealt .
 
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John Thomas said:
I'll agree if / when getting results becomes getting consistent results
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For ange to get better and consistent results, he will need a higher calibre of player.
This will mean, big transfer fees and wages, instead of teenagers of 40-50k a week.
Is anyone at the club going to sanction this, I think we know the answer.
The football is hit and miss but, nobody wants him or the team to fail, far from it, we want to see success from a top 8th club in the world who deliver nothing on a regular basis.
 
Deuterz said:
I honestly think we could lose on Sunday, actually be 13th and still have posters talking about how great the season is going due to a league cup semi and .. vibes. Even if we lost to Forest it feels like some would be fully on board with justifying it.

People say Spurs fans are entitled etc but this has to be proof of the opposite. Any other top 6 fanbase are unified in their absolute disgust if they’re even sniffing the bottom half of a table!

United sacked their manager who won two cups for it already this season.
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Bar Poch no one has had sustained high finishes as manager for us in 25 years

People are backing Ange because they’re sick of rebuilds, and understand that the real reason we never get to where we should be is not because of the managers we employ, we’ve tried them all ffs, it’s because of our owners

People aren’t backing Ange because they’re in a cult, they’re backing him because he’s at least something different and wants to make the club successful, and when his football works it’s tremendous and has shown it can be successful
 
skywalker68 said:
For ange to get better and consistent results, he will need a higher calibre of player.
This will mean, big transfer fees and wages, instead of teenagers of 40-50k a week.
Is anyone at the club going to sanction this, I think we know the answer.
The football is hit and miss but, nobody wants him or the team to fail, far from it, we want to see success from a top 8th club in the world who deliver nothing on a regular basis.
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This isn't necessarily true at all.

And to be clear, yes, there are clubs that buy the best players for the highest fee and the biggest wages in as many positions as they can on the pitch - but it is not the only way at all.

Arsneal didn't splash their cash until they had already allowed Arteta 2.5 seasons to get his tactics right and imprinted on his young, inexpensive side. Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, Saliba, Gabriel - all cheap as chips and very low wages initially.

Same with Liverpool right now - look at their signings the last few years, the fees and the wages - Salah and VDV are the difference makers, for sure, but none of their other important cogs were comparatively big transfer fees and wages.

Then you can look at Man U who have done the opposite and splashed ludicrous amounts of money on fees and wages and produced very little in relative terms to that outlay - they certainly have not achieved any kind of stability or consistency.
 
Larry David said:
People are backing Ange because they’re sick of rebuilds, and understand that the real reason we never get to where we should be is not because of the managers we employ, we’ve tried them all ffs, it’s because of our owners
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Yep.
I think people on both sides of the Ange debate will pretty much agree with that.
To be honest that's the one thing that should unite us all.
 
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