Nail on the head.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Yeah and in the same breath we could win on Sunday and the same posters would still be complaining about being 8th and how we lost to Palace.
Just the way it is.
Edit: fwiw we lose to Liverpool (likely all considering) there’s no denying it the league campaign will be in a bad position. But it’s December and not impossible for the team to go on a run and climb the table.
More important we’d still be in every cup and have chances to win things.
So how well do you think Woolwich would be doing without
Raya
Gabriel
Saliba
Timber
Odegaard
All at the same time plus 6 of their regularly used subs ( not just peripheral players) were out . They struggled just without Odegaard
Take out of Liverpool
Van Dyke
Konate
Robinson
Gravenberch
I won’t mention goalkeepers cos Kelleher is no Forster he is levels above Forster
Then knockout 6 subs that they regularly use
Both the above have vastly superior squad depth than Ange has been given.. As for Chelsea their squad depth is off the chart
Let’s not forget how Woolwich crumbled when they lost Saliba alone for 6 games towards the end of the season before last .
Think there is a serious lack of appreciation of the hand Ange has been dealt .
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For ange to get better and consistent results, he will need a higher calibre of player.
This will mean, big transfer fees and wages, instead of teenagers of 40-50k a week.
Is anyone at the club going to sanction this, I think we know the answer.
The football is hit and miss but, nobody wants him or the team to fail, far from it, we want to see success from a top 8th club in the world who deliver nothing on a regular basis.
WOW!!!
I assume then you would live and let live for anyone with differing opinions to your good self on any topic then?
Bar Poch no one has had sustained high finishes as manager for us in 25 years
People are backing Ange because they’re sick of rebuilds, and understand that the real reason we never get to where we should be is not because of the managers we employ, we’ve tried them all ffs, it’s because of our owners
People aren’t backing Ange because they’re in a cult, they’re backing him because he’s at least something different and wants to make the club successful, and when his football works it’s tremendous and has shown it can be successful
This isn't necessarily true at all.
And to be clear, yes, there are clubs that buy the best players for the highest fee and the biggest wages in as many positions as they can on the pitch - but it is not the only way at all.
Arsneal didn't splash their cash until they had already allowed Arteta 2.5 seasons to get his tactics right and imprinted on his young, inexpensive side. Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, Saliba, Gabriel - all cheap as chips and very low wages initially.
Same with Liverpool right now - look at their signings the last few years, the fees and the wages - Salah and VDV are the difference makers, for sure, but none of their other important cogs were comparatively big transfer fees and wages.
Then you can look at Man U who have done the opposite and splashed ludicrous amounts of money on fees and wages and produced very little in relative terms to that outlay - they certainly have not achieved any kind of stability or consistency.
Yep.
I think people on both sides of the Ange debate will pretty much agree with that.
To be honest that's the one thing that should unite us all.
As I said, he will need better players for his system to be effective at the level he dreams of.
We need to wait and see what happens next.
I think people underestimate how much Levy himself appreciates what Ange has done.
The club was in an utterly toxic state in Conte's wake, and then it sold Harry Kane. Not only did Ange keep that situation afloat, he turned the page narratively, and has made useable contributors out of not just his own purchases, but the players he inherited, including ones deemed useless by previous coaches.
Ange has shown an ability to not have Levy's transfer investment go wasted (credit due to Paratici and Lange too of course). That's quite a radical change from even our most successful managers of ENIC's tenure. That's a very prominent reason why I feel confident Ange is nowhere near the sack in Levy's mind, I think that outcome will be strenuously avoided, a sharp break from Levy's normal trigger-happiness.
You said players for bigger fees and bigger wages -
We could potentially, and I know many people think this, find a better player than Johnson for less money.
I guess my overall point is that the 40m teenager has been looking pretty decent the last few weeks and by this time next season i expect to be our start CDM.
As always, what any manager needs is the right player for the system regardless of price tag or wage demands.
Usually the best players cost more in fee and wages.
I don't see gray starting as CDM next season, it's a disciplined position and I think ange will try to get another in with experience.
But I do believe he will get more game time there.
Good post, he's not sacking him anytime soon unless it gets really bad. Ange does a good job of protecting the owners and putting everything on his back as opposed to other managers turning their back on him.
That's partly the reason why I'm prepared to wait until the end of the season, pointless getting rid of him mid season especially now, you're taking the club even further backwards if you pull the trigger.
As one concrete example, Hojbjerg, Skipp and Emerson Royal are three players that were totally ill-suited to Angeball, players Ange never would have bought in a million years, and who he would have had every right to freeze out of the squad and totally tank their transfer value, and become those familiar situations where we're paying their salaries to limp them around on loan for multiple years. We know that's exactly what former managers would have done.
Instead, Ange made use of all three players, squeezed what performance he could out of them WHILE not compromising on the football he was trying to develop and bed new players into, and we sold those three for over 50 million in the summer.
We know how Levy is, and we know how obstinate he's been over the years that we SHOULD be able to wring value out of our deadwood while constantly failing to do so. Ange making that work will not have gone unnoticed.
Why would you even ask this? Everyone knows that when Spurs lose this place is jam packed with people offering support and a great sense of togetherness and mutual appreciation despite our petty differences...
I personally think one of Bissouma or bentancur will be sold and which ever one stays will be serpassed by Gray mid way next season, he has unreal talent for his age and he is out performing Dagusin out of position at CB and I think Dagusin is doing ok