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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
peter merison said:
For the people who keep asking why Ange doesn’t change I’ll try to break it down. The approach with Mourinho and Conte was to try and compete to win the league immediately. Obviously that strategy failed. Why did it fail? If Spurs are going for it immediately that requires buying players with at least a few years of professional experience. Problem is with Spurs budget at that age range they’re not able to compete with the types of players that clubs like City are buying. So instead Ange is spending that same money on younger players who have a higher ceiling but need time to develop. So we can buy Mickey Van de Ven for £35M but had we waited a couple years he would’ve been £70M and out of our price range. Same goes for Wilson, Bergvall, Gray, Johnson, etc. Ange’s plan is to buy all these young guys, throw them into the fire to develop them as quickly as possible, and then by year four or so they’ll have a couple years they’ll all be entering their prime together having mastered Ange’s system together. At that point, as Ange has repeatedly said, you can start buying more experienced players. So instead of spending £100M+ on Bergvall, Gray, and Odebert you can do what Woolwich did and spend that same money on a superstar like Declan Rice. That’s when you have a team that can compete in any competition every single year for many years to come. If Ange were to change the system to avoid short term pain today he’d be tossing away this invaluable time to develop all this young talent into his system. If your complaints are that rather than go through the adversity today you’d rather just consistently be fighting for top 4 then fine, Ange isn’t the manager for you and you’d be better off with somebody like Nuno. But if you actually want to see Spurs challenging to win the league and Champions League this is the process that you need to go through — it’s unavoidable. If you sack Ange it’s not like you can just hire a different manager and you’ll start winning immediately. He’d then need to start building it into his own squad and would have to do so with guys like Romero and Porro and Van de Ven requesting a transfer. All the players are behind Ange because they know if they stay on this path they’ll accomplish at Spurs something most neutrals don’t think is possible. Just think of how good they’ll be once they’re more developed. Van de Ven, Bergvall, Johnson, Gray, etc. could all easily be valued at £60M+ each. There’s no way Levy would EVER spend that much to acquire experienced players of that caliber at each position. So Ange bought young and cheap, is developing them, and already when everybody is healthy they can beat any team in the world on their day. Remember, it took Arteta four yeara to crack top 4. This is still relatively early in the process, they’re playing every three days, and half the fucking squad is injured or suspended. Show patience now and you’ll be rewarded. You can’t keep sacking managers over and over and over again and expect a different result. You sack Ange and Potter or Gattuso or whoever the fuck they hire will be sacked less than a year later. Guaranteed. We can’t keep giving up at the first sign of adversity.
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Good post but the simple fact is, and I believe it is a fact, that AP's style and philosophy no matter how good the players are, is mentally and physically far to demanding for it to be sustainable over a 50+ game season, year on year. This imo is why so many want him gone. It all sounds great on paper but in reality its not going to work!
 
Just had a couple of pints with a mate who’s I’ve known for years and who’s a Liverpool fan and he agrees it ridiculous, you can’t play football like it. He’d never seen a team so open. But his point as lots have made is who can we bring in. Anyway, the conclusion was, we are fucked. Merry Christmas.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Honestly fuck Jonathan Liew. He hates everything about Spurs, especially Spurs fans. He's right we could have had Slot or Diaz and he's right the 2 clubs have similar resources and our owners are incompetent but why is he having a pop at Mikey Moore, the kid is 17. And having a go at the year ending in a 1... every fan group has superstitions, they are all ridiculous and amazing at the same time.

He's one of those journalists who abuses his position at a major publication to forward his own personal agenda. If he never wrote a single line about Spurs again, it would be amazing.
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He is absolutely spot on in everything he says. Can seriously not see that ?
 
justin said:
He is absolutely spot on in everything he says. Can seriously not see that ?
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Didn't read it but the quote someone put on here was vomit enough. He was having a pop at Mikey Moore and taking the piss out fo Spurs fans for the year ending in 1 superstition. Cheap shots doesn't even start to cover it.

The first part of the quote said something true about Levy not signing Slot or Diaz but that's how he seduces people into his unadulterated hate spiel. He writes for the now defunct Guardian as well, which is the home of all opinions that are irrelevant in the world anyway.
 
Deuterz said:
Now one win in nine games against the current league top three btw, and that required them going down to nine men.

But yep. Any team on their day. Just keep saying it and it will one day be true.
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COme on mate - this line has changed - it was x wins against the top 5 a few months ago

Bar arsneal - it's about as many wins against Liverpool and Chelsea as most managers get.

For me, as it was last season, its more our performances and points return against teams typically below us that is the problem.
 
dudu said:
COme on mate - this line has changed - it was x wins against the top 5 a few months ago

Bar arsneal - it's about as many wins against Liverpool and Chelsea as most managers get.

For me, as it was last season, its more our performances and points return against teams typically below us that is the problem.
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We’ve got zero wins in three games against Chelsea. We in fact have three losses in three games against Chelsea. We have 2 losses one draw against Woolwich. We have a solitary win over Liverpool in insanely exceptional circumstances and then lost the other two.

In what universe does this strike you as able to beat anyone on our day? Demonstrably not unless our day includes two red cards and a valid goal written off for the opposition. Every other day, no.

The whole context of my response was to counter the idea we can beat anyone. We can’t. The truly elite, on their game sides basically always beat us.

We can beat anyone on our day under third doesn’t have the same ring to it though, I guess.
 
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