We only did well in those first ten games under Ange because his tactics surprised teams. As soon as teams wised up, our results got worse and it’s continued in the same vein because he just won’t change and we’ve been playing the same way since. When the injured players come back nothing will change and it will be the same. It’s why I struggle to take those defending him seriously, a lack of acknowledgment that that’s just who we are mate.
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We only did well in those first ten games under Ange because his tactics surprised teams. As soon as teams wised up, our results got worse and it’s continued in the same vein because he just won’t change and we’ve been playing the same way since. When the injured players come back nothing will change and it will be the same. It’s why I struggle to take those defending him seriously, a lack of acknowledgment that that’s just who we are mate.
100%
It worked. Then it didn’t.
We had injuries. They came back. And we’ve been nowhere near the level of those ten games since at all.
So either it got found out and it’s ineffective or the players aren’t trying their hardest to implement that level.
I know which one I think it is.
Yep. The only Tottenham managers Postecoglou should be compared with are Ardiles and Gross. He clearly has the most in common with the former, a stubborn idealist who refused to play a defensive midfielder because it meant dropping one of his 'famous five' . Gross because he is cut from the same cloth of a manager who did well in minor leagues but was absurdly over promoted and couldnt cope with the premier league. The results are now matching those 2 as well.
Most people will look back at Real Madrid at Wembley as one of our proudest and best European nights.
You mention some of the players who played there as some of the best in Spurs history and people will laugh at you.
50% of the players who started get absolutely rinsed as being useless on here. So were they useless? Were they great for a short while? So that meant our squad was the greatest ever
Football fans are great at being hypocritical if nothing else. Go and read their player threads if you disagree people.
Are these players all world class - or were they for a short while??? Out performing their actual ability.
Did Poch and his team just work with what they had and produce a bit of magic like the song says?
Sanchez
Dier
Trippier
Davies
Winks
Alli
No they did not
Klopp didn't change a thing when players like Lovren and Karius were hung out to dry and didn't change when his Liverpool team were clearly burnt out a few years back.
Pep hasn't altered a thing throughout his career and notably this season hence why City are struggling this season
We are well on the stage of let's make up any bullshit and blame the manager, Fekin hilarious to read tbh
Of course Pep has altered things. He plays with a lamp post up front now, he plays with 4 huge CBs across his defence, he has played with CBs in midfield, he’s played with full backs coming inside, he’s played with a full back shuffling across into a back 3 in possession, he’s played with a false 9, he’s done many different things at City.
His basic principles of football haven't changed but he’s tried lots of different things while staying within those principles. Ange by contrast has only ever really adapted due to injuries.
This is the point, we are talking about football principles - the OP compared Ange to Amorim saying they are system managers and won't budge from their idealogies...Pep and Klopp are of the same ilk...they may do some minor tweaks here and there but philosophy stays the same.
It's the chairman who makes the hiring and firing decisions, yeah the fans have their own opinions but we are completely powerless in these decisions. If the chairman is happy atm with Ange and hasn't sacked him then I will stay fully behind the manager and the team. We are going through hard times, i don't deny that,but maybe its times like these we have to show true support until the change is made. Unless there is a remarkable turnaround I think every fan knows that Ange hasn't got much of a chance remaining in charge beyond the end of the season so it's just a waiting game really until the chairman makes the change. Until then surely it's better to quit all this talk of " hope we lose to either Newcastle, Tamworth, or Liverpool, or Woolwich, so that Ange is immediately sacked" and support the team no matter if we win lose or draw.
it's your football club. the chairman of any club listens to the fans especially now through social media etc. It's what got it into this mess post Poch. if you are content with what you are watching now, then it won't change.
This chump will walk on water and turn water in to wine before he turns anything on the pitch around.
Or, alternatively, his average PPG is the worst of any of those managers.
Many who whom people wanted out far more than this idiot.
His PPG is also still being skewed excessively by those first 10 games.
I'm sure almost everyone now can see they were massive outlier results now.
More than likely if they get champions league they can increase his wages due to FFP , don’t get me wrong players want to play in the CL but it’s always about money !
I may be wrong but I’m not even convinced it was his tactics surprising teams. I just feel there was quite a bit of luck in there such as the Liverpool win and just simply the new manager bounce. Players making more of an effort to impress, which never lasts obviously. Agree with you the people defending him can’t be taken seriously.
PPG since the first 10 last season 1.36, gets you 51 pts over a season.
PPG this season 1.26. Gets you 48 pts over a season.
Its been consistantly shite for 47 league games now and its getting worse. Dread to think what it will be in 2 or 3 weeks but likely relegation fight figures.
The league season will peter out into a bunch of 'meh' I reckon. No relegation fight but if we finish top half it will be barely so, like 9th or 10th. Worlds away from six or seven years ago!
Amorim says United are in a relegation fight.
They're 2 points behind us and he is their replacement.
All the pro ENIC fans who say "it'll never be as bad as the 90's" might have to come up with a new argument.
The whole season has STRONG '90s vibes now - very average league position but still in the cups.
It's reminding me the most of Ardiles, who I barely remember but I seem to recall played Kamikaze football with four or five forwards.
Ah yes the majority of football fans are clueless and the residents of TFC in the Ange thread are the football braniacs, of course.
Yes mate. I could see back in October 2023 the red flags. I would have sacked him in the summer and appointed someone else because I could see us getting worse and worse. But of course this makes me a clueless TFC football brainiac and the rest of the fan base who are backing Ange are geniuses are they? Jesus Christ. Maybe the owns are are Ange out are the ones who actually have a clue.
Remember in all walks of life the ones with a clue are always in the minority.