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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Smogz said:
If i look a few years into the future we could have Moore, Gray, Bergvall, Lankshear, Odobert, Yang , Hall, maybe a few more as potential starters. I'm a bit worried that Ange is slowing down their football education and therefore their development by playing his one dimensional form of football. Plus he hardly plays them (with the exception of gray).
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Yup these 18 year olds playing premier league football are definitely in danger of having their football education slowed down
 
Aphex said:
Just a thought, but I wonder if one of the reasons we have refrained from sacking Ange is because we want to convey an issue of stability to prospective signings.

If we had sacked him before Xmas, all the players we were talking to would have opted to go elswhere if the manager they had been speaking to, suddenly left. Because Ange would have obviously been telling these players how he sees them fitting into his plans etc

I am not saying it's the main reason but I definitely think it's an important consideration. I believe the club have probably earmarked mid to late January as the decision on Ange's future.

By then it will be clear to everyone if he has managed to change our fortunes, if he hasn't we will be in a relegation battle and the club will have to sack him. We will have played Newcastle, Liverpool, Tamworth, Woolwich, Everton and possibly even Toffenheim.

If things haven't markedly improved, and by then we should have any new signings through the door, the club will be able to sack him without it affecting our transfer business.

And I do think the clubs priority right now, is to bring players in, above sacking Ange. It makes little point if he goes this week or in two weeks.
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Toffenheim... I think things will be proper sticky by then!!!
 
daveyboy88 said:
what sort of player would want to come and play under this mug in the first place. id stay well clear of any players happy to do that after what weve seen over the last year, theyd have to be proper idiots.
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No I agree, but from the clubs point of view I think this is playing into it. Also let's be honest they really don't want to sack Ange now unless they have to, so it gives them an excuse to delay it.

But honestly sacking him now, would spell disaster for our transfer plans. Ange isn't exactly Pep is he, but he will still be able to sell us to players, even if he isn't doing much of the selling, players want to know who they will be playing for. If we are managerless, or we have Mason in charge as an interim, who the fk is going to want to sign for us?

It's the lesser of the two evils. Obviously we should have sacked Ange last summer, or a month ago, but here we are and now the window is open, we kind of have to keep him for a couple of weeks really. Only other option is if we had a top replacement manager lined up, but of course knowing Spurs, we won't do.
 
Aphex said:
No I agree, but from the clubs point of view I think this is playing into it. Also let's be honest they really don't want to sack Ange now unless they have to, so it gives them an excuse to delay it.

But honestly sacking him now, would spell disaster for our transfer plans. Ange isn't exactly Pep is he, but he will still be able to sell us to players, even if he isn't doing much of the selling, players want to know who they will be playing for. If we are managerless, or we have Mason in charge as an interim, who the fk is going to want to sign for us?

It's the lesser of the two evils. Obviously we should have sacked Ange last summer, or a month ago, but here we are and now the window is open, we kind of have to keep him for a couple of weeks really. Only other option is if we had a top replacement manager lined up, but of course knowing Spurs, we won't do.
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i hear what youre saying. i think this guy is so bad hes more likely to scare players away than attract them.
 
dudu said:
You're manipulating a conversation to make a point that has nothing to do with what I was discussing.
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I'm not dude..
You said the OP was a liar because he said we hadn't replicated the form of the first ten games.
He wasn't lying. It's a flat out fact. Nowhere near the ppg, nowhere near the length of winning games in a row, nowhere near the length of unbeaten run.
It wasn't a lie, it's a matter of fact from every available statistic.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
2 possibles imo. Firstly and most likely is the potential investment. If it happens whoever buys a stake will likely wont a say on next manager and that is perfect for Levy to hide behind for another sacking. We spent a summer cutting the wage bill so he's probably reluctant to spend another £5m paying off the coaching staff.

Second, he has made a pigs ear of the last few appointments with managers turning us down left, right and centre and he just hasnt got a clue what to do next and in an ideal world would wait until there is an improved managerial market in the summer.

There is no way they have faith in Ange to turn it around, they are seeing what we're seeing. Basically he is an interim until something turns up or falls in our lap. We're so bad they wont get their wish to drag it out until the summer.
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Yeah i agree with all of your post but I can definitely see the bolded bit being the case. I keep thinking about Paratici still having Levy’s ear and having a large proportion of his career at Juventus. He isn’t telling Levy to keep the manager watching this season develop. He’s an experienced proper (albeit with a lot of skeletons) footballing man. He’s gonna know.
 
Matt1882 said:
I'm not dude..
You said the OP was a liar because he said we hadn't replicated the form of the first ten games.
He wasn't lying. It's a flat out fact. Nowhere near the ppg, nowhere near the length of winning games in a row, nowhere near the length of unbeaten run.
It wasn't a lie, it's a matter of fact from every available statistic.
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Mate, the overall point is that those first 10 games are the only reason people supported Ange - I've heard repeatedly that those 10 games were the only good period in Ange's tenure here. It's patently false.

Our 5th place finish has as much to do with that run of 16 that I pointed out, as the first 10.
 
dudu said:
Mate, the overall point is that those first 10 games are the only reason people supported Ange - I've heard repeatedly that those 10 games were the only good period in Ange's tenure here. It's patently false.

Our 5th place finish has as much to do with that run of 16 that I pointed out, as the first 10.
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"The only good period" is more about opinion.


The rest is all about stats that aren't.
 
dudu said:
When talking about why we finished 5th, it's not about opinion, it's about points haul and sustaining 2ppg over 16 games in this league is very good form indeed.

Only 2 teams have achieved that over the first 19 games this season.
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Well yeah, it's about points over 38 games

But we got 40% of our seasons points in the first 26% of the season.
So to suggest we didn't finish there because of that is pushing it a bit.
Most other teams, good or bad, spread their points out over a more consistent basis.
The general exceptions to that is when a team is in relegation trouble and make a change that results in a run of form that gets them out of it. At that point you'd point at those games and say "that's why they stayed up" would you not?
 
Forgetting the in or out debate why the muck did fantastic business brain sign him up to a 5 year contract. For a tight arse accountant he sure does like to fritter away our money.
Before the Lovers can counter with "5 year plan" 3 years max would be fine or 1 year rolling I'm sure this Drongo would have bitten off his hand to come to the PL.

In other news I was just reading how cheap Jao Gomes was
 
Matt1882 said:
Well yeah, it's about points over 38 games

But we got 40% of our seasons points in the first 26% of the season.
So to suggest we didn't finish there because of that is pushing it a bit.
Most other teams, good or bad, spread their points out over a more consistent basis.
The general exceptions to that is when a team is in relegation trouble and make a change that results in a run of form that gets them out of it. At that point you'd point at those games and say "that's why they stayed up" would you not?
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This is the most pertinent point. Every single point we won over the 38 games counted as much as every other point.
 
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