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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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He reckons he can do a job with half the squad we have while wearing NFL kits
I think he is playing his one and only card the joker on this one.
He is a lucky man, even with a full team they have been poor.
He's certainly not lost his way to the canteen.
I can’t wait for the day we have a fully fit squad and all the excuses dry up, because I’m confident we’ll still be just as poor. Then, there’ll be nowhere left for him to hide. Quite frankly, he’s a joke, and every time he opens his mouth in a press conference, he only reaffirms what a charlatan he truly is.
This notion of losing the dressing room, in the sense that players are so fed up with a particular manager that they actively try to lose matches just to get him sacked, is massively overstated. It happens very rarely, only under extreme circumstances.
With all that competitive spirit flowing through their veins during a match, do you think players will actually worry about how the outcome will impact their manager's future at the club? Their own personal prides are at stake in that moment, who cares about what's happening to a guy on the sidelines? In the worst case, they'll keep giving their best on the pitch while simultaneously hating his guts. That may or may not be enough to get results, but that's a totally different story.
Players having specific reservations about manager's methods, which is far short of losing the dressing room by the way, is probably more common in football than we realize. There's no reason to think that Ange is immune to that. But I don't see any evidence indicating that players are actively sabotaging the team, or the manager.
With all that competitive spirit flowing through their veins during a match, do you think players will actually worry about how the outcome will impact their manager's future at the club? Their own personal prides are at stake in that moment, who cares about what's happening to a guy on the sidelines? In the worst case, they'll keep giving their best on the pitch while simultaneously hating his guts. That may or may not be enough to get results, but that's a totally different story.
Players having specific reservations about manager's methods, which is far short of losing the dressing room by the way, is probably more common in football than we realize. There's no reason to think that Ange is immune to that. But I don't see any evidence indicating that players are actively sabotaging the team, or the manager.
And yet some people still insist he is the real deal.
yep, people think it means them literally throwing games loool. when they lose respect and belief in the manager they naturally lose that tiny bit of edge, that tiny bit of edge is huge at the top level. these players do not believe in this guy at all and thats clear as day, has been for a while. you cant blame them! they arent going to not run or go into challenges, but they arent going to do these things at 100%, it will be more like 95%. they dont go out there and give everything to win like they would do if they was happy playing under someone who actually knows the game.
this is the guy that not long ago said subs arent important to the game if the starting 11 dont have the right mentality or some shit! looool. he lost their respect when he had eric dier standing on the halfway line with 9 men! he killed them there and then.
He said 5th was better than the 8th he inherited. Which is true. Especially when you consider that 8th had Kane and his 5th didn't.
He never blamed it on injuries once. I watched it.
Bloke is such a waffler and so intensely defensive. He's chippy and caustic and clearly feeling the pressure, yet continues to deny it and becomes more and more out of touch with reality when you really listen to him week after week.
I have a lot of respect for managers dealing with the inane questions from journos, I really do, but Ange gets defensive off of completely normal questions and twists words just so he can come out looking good. He really is the picture of arrogance, he's like that friend of yours who can never be wrong and always twists the argument to things he knows about.
If only he could set up a defense on the pitch like he does in the pressers!
I think we can identify certain preconditions that make it more probable that a manager will lose the dressing room. It doesn't randomly happen for no apparent reason, nor do I think getting poor results is enough by itself to trigger the whole process. Some ones I can think of:
-A manager who is especially known for burning bridges, deflecting responsibility, and pointing fingers whenever things start going south
-A squad featuring a good amount of opinionated players
-An irredeemable situation that's been going on for a long period.
There's obviously room for reasonable disagreement here, but I don't think any of these are present right now. Ange has never managed at this level before, so he has zero reputation in terms of crisis management that I know of. He may or may not turn out to be another Mourinho, but jury's still out.
This squad is a combination of prospects, veterans who are almost on their way out, ones that are too low on the pecking order to have any tangible effect over the dressing room, and those who spend more time with medical staff than they do with their teammates. Who will exactly come out against Ange, and also possibly galvanize their teammates for that cause?
The situation on the pitch has been dire for some time, but it's still open to interpretations that flatter Ange and give the impression that things will turn around sooner than later. This argument has been beaten to death here, so I won't elaborate on it.
My conclusion is that players are still mostly playing for him, which is open to two almost diametrically opposed interpretations. If you, as a general rule, think that players keeping the faith in their manager is a strong reason to keep him on the job, then you'd think that this helps Ange's case. By contrast, if you think that this (possibly irredeemable) situation on the pitch is continuing despite players still giving their best, then you'd consider it another nail in the guy's coffin.
-A manager who is especially known for burning bridges, deflecting responsibility, and pointing fingers whenever things start going south
-A squad featuring a good amount of opinionated players
-An irredeemable situation that's been going on for a long period.
There's obviously room for reasonable disagreement here, but I don't think any of these are present right now. Ange has never managed at this level before, so he has zero reputation in terms of crisis management that I know of. He may or may not turn out to be another Mourinho, but jury's still out.
This squad is a combination of prospects, veterans who are almost on their way out, ones that are too low on the pecking order to have any tangible effect over the dressing room, and those who spend more time with medical staff than they do with their teammates. Who will exactly come out against Ange, and also possibly galvanize their teammates for that cause?
The situation on the pitch has been dire for some time, but it's still open to interpretations that flatter Ange and give the impression that things will turn around sooner than later. This argument has been beaten to death here, so I won't elaborate on it.
My conclusion is that players are still mostly playing for him, which is open to two almost diametrically opposed interpretations. If you, as a general rule, think that players keeping the faith in their manager is a strong reason to keep him on the job, then you'd think that this helps Ange's case. By contrast, if you think that this (possibly irredeemable) situation on the pitch is continuing despite players still giving their best, then you'd consider it another nail in the guy's coffin.
He talked about Newcastle and their injuries last season. Likened it with our situation, and then went on to say that it's a boring story and therefore nobody talks about it. For sure that's what he meant.
I mean yeah that's fair no? Both teams had very extensive injury lists at the same time of year.
I just watched the video. He was asked if 2024 was a year he'd rather forget. He said "No because then you'd forget the good things that came out of it, like finishing 5th from 8th the previous season"
Are we agreed that finishing 5th after finish 8th the season before is a good thing that happened in 2024?
I think people are reading too much into the press conferences.
I hope the fat cunt lose it tomorrow 
I hope the fat cunt lose it tomorrow
True yid you are
Mate, I didn't appoint the guy. I wanted Conte to stay but a lot of people wanted him out. Somehow some people were happy that Conte lost the job. Look how he's doing now at Napoli. And then this guy Ange comes in. He's getting all the support without doing shit. He's getting the backing from Levy that no other manager did before. He's throwing it away BJ. His marquee player. You can't make this shit up. Levy would never ever had paid even 25M for a guy like BJ for any of the other managers. They did a lot with less. Ange can't even rack up back to back wins every once in a while.
He's blaming injuries now but guess what. His super star and our record signing hasn't been injured at all. Only all other players in the process of trying to make BJ the star. He's killing the careers of our guys. Micky, Destiny, even Romero even though I haven't liked him under Ange. It's our way of playing. You want to see our youngsters careers cut short just because of this guy who doesn't know how to play football?
It's our damn duty as Spurs fans to get rid of this cunt!
