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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Actually I would.

I saw ManU vs Newcastle.
Amorim fucked up with selection. Conceded 2 goals.
Acted right away, took off Zirkzee and put on Mainoo and it had impact.

From there on they were very much in game and LOT less open in defense.

I know perfectly well that Ange would have just stood there with grim grimace and would have seen us concede 4-6 goals with first half.

Also ... well... since appointment he has taken ManU above us in the table...
Also he is in starting phase, trying to instill his way into players. Not having had 60 games where results keep getting worse.
Also he is 39 so very much still learning and developing. Not 59 and close to retirement.

So in short - yes.
I didn't particularly want Amorim when he was at Sporting but that United squad is absolutely NOT built for a back three. No natural wingbacks at all, no good strikers, their best two players are a 10 and a winger, neither of which are a natural fit in his 3-4-3. Terrible fit, but I also think given time he'll do OK once he gets his players.

Our squad on the other hand is a perfect fit for a back three (a real one, not that retarded shit Ange pulled the other day). We have wingbacks and 10's coming out of the wazoo. Amorim would be doing a lot better with our squad than he is at United.
 
I didn't particularly want Amorim when he was at Sporting but that United squad is absolutely NOT built for a back three. No natural wingbacks at all, no good strikers, their best two players are a 10 and a winger, neither of which are a natural fit in his 3-4-3. Terrible fit, but I also think given time he'll do OK once he gets his players.

Our squad on the other hand is a perfect fit for a back three (a real one, not that retarded shit Ange pulled the other day). We have wingbacks and 10's coming out of the wazoo. Amorim would be doing a lot better with our squad than he is at United.
I wanted Amorim before he joined United. A young coach, that has a desire to prove his ability, and to see Spurs as an opportunity, not only for himself but also to boost the club.
As you said, our squad is as close to perfection as you want, in comparison to his footballing philosophy.
Porro, Udogie, Solanke and Kulu would most likely thrive, and many others.
There are other coaches out there, which include Iraola, so it is what it is.
His recent performances have been quite poor, so as an appointment, there may be safer options to appoint.
 
It’s almost as if you were an average dosser having a kick about as opposed to an elite athlete pushing your body to the limit every single moment of the game.
Oh we were very much amateur but we still pushed to the limit every game. We still won multiple comps. Point being is if we managed that many minutes of football, why can’t an elite athlete with everything at their disposal. It’s their job.
 
I remain convinced that the optimum substitution patterns for five-sub, fixture-heavy, press-oriented modern football are eventually going to look very, very different.
Was it you who said this a long time ago? I have wondered about it a lot since reading on here and It does make a lot of sense for the forward players to press intensley for 60 odd mins and then sub them off for fresh legs. I remember when Celtic fans were on here they said Ange rarely plays the front 3 for the whole game and would sub them off early so it's a bit weird we have seen him take so long to make changes here. I suppose when the option is Werner it makes sense 😄
 
Was it you who said this a long time ago? I have wondered about it a lot since reading on here and It does make a lot of sense for the forward players to press intensley for 60 odd mins and then sub them off for fresh legs. I remember when Celtic fans were on here they said Ange rarely plays the front 3 for the whole game and would sub them off early so it's a bit weird we have seen him take so long to make changes here. I suppose when the option is Werner it makes sense 😄

Even if Werner is a worse forward than Son, if Ange's system is so rigidly dependent on an active press, there's still almost no excuse for not subbing them earlier and more aggressively.

I don't think Ange even knows how to play his own system best.
 
Did a bit of digging and these are the muscle injuries from his time in Japan:

20/21
3 players missed 4 games each RB, DM, RW

19/20
CB missed 8 games
RW missed 4 + 9 games

18/19
CF missed 4 games

His first season at Celtic was pretty bad:

21/22
CB - 2 games
CM - 12 games
AM - 3 games
CF - 18 games
CF - 16 games

But better in the 2nd:

22/23
LB - 2 games
CM - 2 games
CM - 20 games
LW - 4 games
RW - 4games

In his first season here it also wasn't that bad:

Spurs 23/24
Romero - 2 games
VDV - 10 games
Davies - 6 games
Sess - out for season (before Ange)
Lo Celso - 8 games
Brennan - 2 games
Richarlison - 5 games

You can compare it with the season before Ange came (more games missed even excluding Sess)

22/23 (pre ange)
Romero - 8 games
Davies - 3 games
Lenglet - 1 game
Sess hamstring - 16 games
Bentancur - 4 games
Kulu - 6 games
Moura - 6 games
Richarlison - 7 games

This season has been crazy though

After 22 games:
Romero - 7
VDV - 12
Davies - 7
Udogie - 3+
Son - 3 games
Odobert - 18+
Rich - 10 games

Anyway I don't think it's as simple as just saying it's all Ange's fault and it's down to his 'suicidal' high line and his training methods. Note the lack of injuries to CBs at other clubs for a start. Also VDV missed 14 games with a hamstring injury before he even came to Spurs. Romero also missed 18 games for us with a hamstring injury in 21/22 and a further 7 in 22/23 before Ange arrived.

Richarlison has been injury prone since he got here (or suffering mental health issues) and he was injured crossing a ball which seems unlikely to be down to the system/training methods. Odobert had hardly been with us for 5 mins before he got injured and as I remember it it was him challenging for the ball.

Udogie was inevitable and definitely on Ange for overplaying him, Spence should have been given a chance earlier and been in the Europa squad. He obviously doesn't trust reggie and presumably Archie/Ben were meant to be the cover but he couldn't call on them.

Personally I think ultimately the lack of squad depth has been the main issue. I guess you can blame Ange for not rotating more with the youngsters but they are really young and he would get pelters for that too if didn't pick up results.

Just thought I would share what I found as was interested if the evidence was infact overwhelming and I'm not sure it is!


Interesting numbers.

Pretty clear to me that our medical and sports science dept wasn't up to scratch before he arrived and it's certainly not been equipped to handle his intensity yet.
 
I don't know if that BBC piece is as absolving of Ange as you say, it's quite interesting.





To the extent maintaining squad fitness in Angeball requires (1) Celtic-in-SPL-level territorial domination of games, (2) deep and constant squad rotation, and (3) sitting players who want to play for key games as a protective measure, it is pretty hard to see how that's going to be in any way sustainable.

Why shouldn't it be sustainable? And why did the club recruit him if they didn't think it was sustainable?
Surely they knew who they were hiring and what it took to be successful with the coach they were hiring?

And that goes to a narrow decision about who should take charge for the remainder of the season for Spurs, but it also raises some pretty broad questions about how to play front-foot possession-based football in the modern era.

Tbh I don't see much evidence at all that in-season changes are a good idea in a PL so built around intensity. the days of an old school Harry Radknapp coming in and saying some things to fox morale are long over. Any coach coming in mid-season will need a similar level of intensity out of this squad, no matter who they are.

If you do want to hire a new coach, the summer, and early in the summer is the time to do it.

I remain convinced that the optimum substitution patterns for five-sub, fixture-heavy, press-oriented modern football are eventually going to look very, very different.

Interesting. What you mean?
 

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In the words of Shadydan Shadydan Ali Gold cooked here.

If you’ve allowed yourself to buy into the idea that Ange’s training is at fault for injuries, have a word with yourself. You’ve just got carried away with an internet narrative,

Sameway, our defenders don’t actually do any more sprints than the next team so it isn’t the system causing injuries either.

Ange has some part to play in it, and he’s the manager so ultimately it’s his responsibility but if you really think he’s to blame and it’s not because the squad has been left short, you really need to give your head a wobble.
 
Normally I'd say I feel for Ange in this situation as he's a nice guy...
But I don't actually think he IS a particularly nice guy!

Personally, I think he lost his feel for the club/fans before that Man City game at the end of last season...

His whole demeanour changed, and has been defeatist ever since!

He's just going through the motions now
.. before he goes through the door!!
Yeah his words and actions are just too contradictory as if he doesn’t give a shit about the fans in where he’s talking the team.
 
And yet, the United fans hate them more than "we" hate ENIC.

"We" being the ones who actively praise Levy and co and the others who just shrug and say "it's not as bad as the 90's"

I couldn't give a toss what the United fans think of the Glazers. We aren't in the same league.

They sacked ETH after he won the League Cup & FA Cup in 2 seasons, while finishing 4th & 8th in the league. You think that happens at Spurs?

You think Levy would spend £85M for Antony, £70 million for Casemiro and £55 million for Martinez in one window?

You're delusional bud.
 
Honestly. What happened to I'm a winner. i win. Presenting the club and it's fans as weak minded losers to a wider public that lapped it up.

Now it's. Well the last ten minutes were alright weren't they?
Not coming out with all that bombast and it’s entertaining now is he. Bet him and levy cringe when they look back at the forum from Sept 23. “We got our totttenham back” and the selected attendees lapped it up. All BS!
 
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