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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Kosher Kid said:
No.

I just pay inflated ticket prices so they can exploit me.
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You are free, of course, not to pay.

It is, honestly, your only real way to communicate true dissatisfaction with the club in a way they care about. Levy doesn't care what you think of him, and so long as you keep spending money, keep attending, keep watching and reading articles (all statistics which are compiled into a Q score which forms the basis of all commercial sponsorships), you aren't giving him a reason to do things differently.
 
MemphisWill said:
You are free, of course, not to pay.

It is, honestly, your only real way to communicate true dissatisfaction with the club in a way they care about. Levy doesn't care what you think of him, and so long as you keep spending money, keep attending, keep watching and reading articles (all statistics which are compiled into a Q score which forms the basis of all commercial sponsorships), you aren't giving him a reason to do things differently.
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I tried this for 15 years but my instinct is to follow the team.

Is there nothing else I can do?
 
Matt1882 said:
Dude, I genuinely don't like the guy you've quoted, he's a nasty bit of work.
But you're not helping yourself here


The stadium is an asset that makes CONSIDERABLY more money a month/year than the cost to pay off the loans.

Imagine you borrowed £200k for a flat at £750 a month mortgage and then rented it out at £1,500 a month.
You're £750 in profit every months even with the £200k "debt" to consider.
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The feeling is mutual.

One thing I've never done is use a post, where someone has advised their mother is dying, to jump on a soap box to preach how others should conduct themselves on a Football forum.

Nasty piece of work? That would make you pond scum.
 
Kosher Kid said:
But doesn't ENIC get money from them too?
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Not from a dodgy fire stick

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Kosher Kid said:
But I love THFC.

How can I get around this?
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I fell out of love with football when I was between 20-25 probably.
So around about 2001-2006.
I always followed but I wasn't as religious about going to games and watching on TV as I have been for the last 10 years or so. The losses of Klinsmann, Sheringham, Judas, Ginola etc had taken all the fun away.

It was Jol, Berbatov, Redknapp, Bale, Van Der Vart etc that all sucked me back in.

I genuinely hoped that I was wrong about Levy and that when the stadium was built we'd push on.
But now I'm more convinced than ever before that we, the football club, are no longer of much importance. We cost money. We have to spend a lot of the huge income we generate to buy and pay players and staff.
All the non football events are much cheaper to host and over a few years with the leaning out of the football team wages and spending, will make LevNIC far more easy money.

I'm convinced that's where they have us and will never let us go now. We are their prisoners.

And it's put me right back to the early 00s where I'm really struggling to love anything about the club.

They've ripped THFC apart to build an entertainment empire. They don't give a fuck if we win or lose. They know they can sign a few players from tourist countries to fill the empty seats.
All those Koreans in the stadium are there for Son. They don't give a shit if we win or lose or how we play. Pay £60-£100 for a ticket, buy a Son 7 shirt in the shop, eat and drink and Levy is hunky dorey.

We're done as a serious football club.
 
Kosher Kid said:
I tried this for 15 years but my instinct is to follow the team.

Is there nothing else I can do?
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I'm not overwhelmingly sure there is, honestly.

You can try just supporting the club, stop worrying who the chairman is, what the transfer spending or player salaries are. Try to enjoy the football for the football, hope for trophies but stop expecting.

It's not that I think people shouldn't protest, chant Levy Out, or the like. I just don't think it has any hope of being fruitful because he doesn't care, nor does Lewis. So long as tickets are sold and the club's Q score is high enough to keep attracting sponsors, responding to the supporters' complaints isn't going to be a priority. They just don't care about their own popularity - they are capitalists and the club isn't an ego stroke for them like it was Sugar.

It's weird how easily I get sucked into discussing Levy when, honestly, I'm the former. I'm resigned to this ownership group being here and just trying to enjoy the football. Being robbed of even that now.
 
MemphisWill said:
£9M loss is still a £9M loss.
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Because women's and youth expenditures are also exempt, no it isn't.

MemphisWill said:
So, the accounts we publish in the summer will show a huge loss, even after the stadium is taken out, because you'll have a similar baseline £9M loss - £56M European revenue - £?M matchday revenue. My guess? It all adds up to a ±£60M PSR loss.
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Per the Deloitte figures, our wages declined by ~32M last year, and selling the likes of Royal, Lo Celso and Hojbjerg and bringing in teenagers will have seen that figure decline even further this season as European football reenters the picture.

Whatever the baseline number, a 60M decline is not a reasonable assumption. The gross revenues only went down by 17M.

MemphisWill said:
We currently have PSR headroom. The idea we'll still have that in 2027 is wrong. We're going to be properly hamstrung because we hired the absolutely wrong managers and refused to sack him when we absolutely should have.

It's still Levy's fault, but this isn't a conversation about him being cheap. Even if we were magically taken over by a more spendfree chairman, Ange's disaster is going to present significant financial problems in the coming seasons. His stinky ghost is going to be lingering around long after he's gone.
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But we're missing the forest for the trees here.

EVERY OTHER TEAM ON PLANET EARTH IS SPENDING A HIGHER SHARE OF THEIR REVENUE ON PLAYER WAGES THAN SPURS.

You're wrong about how close Spurs are flying to the sun, but it doesn't matter, because cold hard facts are right in our face showing that every peer club is flying closer, mostly a lot closer.

And yeah, the implications of that are that a lot of very paper-rich clubs are pretty skint PSR-wise. Even with the most headroom, our headroom isn't limitless. You can't do a Man City anymore.

But you're jerking yourself off on the notion that Mr. Savvy Internet Man has read the fine print and knows that Daddy Levy is actually forbidden from spending the money that the gammon troglodytes demand.

I regret to inform you that you are instead the middle crying guy in the midwit meme.

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Matt1882 said:
I fell out of love with football when I was between 20-25 probably.
So around about 2001-2006.
I always followed but I wasn't as religious about going to games and watching on TV as I have been for the last 10 years or so. The losses of Klinsmann, Sheringham, Judas, Ginola etc had taken all the fun away.

It was Jol, Berbatov, Redknapp, Bale, Van Der Vart etc that all sucked me back in.

I genuinely hoped that I was wrong about Levy and that when the stadium was built we'd push on.
But now I'm more convinced than ever before that we, the football club, are no longer of much importance. We cost money. We have to spend a lot of the huge income we generate to buy and pay players and staff.
All the non football events are much cheaper to host and over a few years with the leaning out of the football team wages and spending, will make LevNIC far more easy money.

I'm convinced that's where they have us and will never let us go now. We are their prisoners.

And it's put me right back to the early 00s where I'm really struggling to love anything about the club.

They've ripped THFC apart to build an entertainment empire. They don't give a fuck if we win or lose. They know they can sign a few players from tourist countries to fill the empty seats.
All those Koreans in the stadium are there for Son. They don't give a shit if we win or lose or how we play. Pay £60-£100 for a ticket, buy a Son 7 shirt in the shop, eat and drink and Levy is hunky dorey.

We're done as a serious football club.
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agreed. i honestly thought we had ambitions to get bigger and win things but enic just wanted to build a venue and print money. they will never overspend in the way that's necessary to win anything. i think we're seeing that now
 
StripiestPilot said:
Get the team properly organised for a start. Ange doesn’t understand or respect the basics of football at the elite level.

He is getting away with murder because he can speak fluent English and can do the PR stuff. Imagine if he were Pepe Mel or Claude Puel or some other random European manager with a silly accent getting the same results. He’d be laughed at and would have got sacked months ago. He has no business working at this level but he talks a good game and doesn’t have a go at Levy so he gets to stay on the gravy train.
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Bang on
 
FightingIllini said:
Because women's and youth expenditures are also exempt, no it isn't.


Per the Deloitte figures, our wages declined by ~32M last year, and selling the likes of Royal, Lo Celso and Hojbjerg and bringing in teenagers will have seen that figure decline even further this season as European football reenters the picture.

Whatever the baseline number, a 60M decline is not a reasonable assumption. The gross revenues only went down by 17M.


But we're missing the forest for the trees here.

EVERY OTHER TEAM ON PLANET EARTH IS SPENDING A HIGHER SHARE OF THEIR REVENUE ON PLAYER WAGES THAN SPURS.

You're wrong about how close Spurs are flying to the sun, but it doesn't matter, because cold hard facts are right in our face showing that every peer club is flying closer, mostly a lot closer.

And yeah, the implications of that are that a lot of very paper-rich clubs are pretty skint PSR-wise. Even with the most headroom, our headroom isn't limitless. You can't do a Man City anymore.

But you're jerking yourself off on the notion that Mr. Savvy Internet Man has read the fine print and knows that Daddy Levy is actually forbidden from spending the money that the gammon troglodytes demand.

I regret to inform you that you are instead the middle crying guy in the midwit meme.

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Alright man, you're bent on turning the whole thing into an anti-Levy we don't spend enough argument which wasn't the conversation at all, so I'm done with it.

Your post stated that we posted a £9M loss with £56M in European revenue, and then have somehow talked yourself into the idea that even without that £56M in European revenue we'll magically not post a significant loss. Gonna politi-bomb you here and then I'm done with the discussion. Last word can be yours.


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MemphisWill said:
Alright man, you're bent on turning the whole thing into an anti-Levy we don't spend enough argument which wasn't the conversation at all, so I'm done with it.
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Your original statement was that we've run into PSR jail. Which is false, as you know and have avoided attempting to refute.

MemphisWill said:
Your post stated that we posted a £9M loss with £56M in European revenue, and then have somehow talked yourself into the idea that even without that £56M in European revenue we'll magically not post a significant loss
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That wasn't my post, it isn't a 9M loss, revenues increased in other areas, and wage costs went and continue to decline, from an existing baseline that was, again, once more with feeling, the single most frugal on planet earth.

You'll always find a way to cuddle yourself as being better informed and more internet savvy than the lowly Levy whiners. You do you, whatever.

But falsehoods about Spurs' financial position would negatively impact the discourse around here if not rebutted with the truth.
 
I hate Levy but not everything is about him. He’s accountable for hiring this completely unqualified person and accountable for keeping him on past any reasonable point, but we’ve spent more than enough to be doing far better, the squad is not the 16th best team in the league even accounting for injuries.

How bad Ange is doing is not about spending. It’s about a stubborn as hell coach who is out of his depth and has gone off the deep end. He has completely failed to adapt to a crisis and the results have spiralled. There is no body of evidence that this is just a fluke and that he can recover it, his CV is a load of nothing for this level.

The defences of Ange are all coming from the same morons (sorry but it’s true) that think managing in Japan or Scotland and being successful in that vacuum is entirely transferable to success in the bloodbath that is the premier league. This is nonsensical. We have seen how badly Ange has failed to deal with the high level of media scrutiny at a top premier league club. The pressure is a different world.
 
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