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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Matt1882 said:
It's not just fans though, and that's the problem. There are presenters, pundits, ex players, ex coaches, current coaches, social media "personalities" etc absolutely everywhere that pump out this narrative non-stop.

Harry Redknapp a few weeks ago said give him this AND next season.
Glen Hoddle is arguing now that linesmen and VAR are to blame for our hamstring issues. Not suicideball.
There's so many of them that are constantly saying the age old cliche "you have to give him time"
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I agree.

The presenters and pundits want him to be given time because our games make great tv for them and there’s always plenty for them to talk bollocks endlessly about when the game is 5-3 or whatever.

I think this is why the continually wheel out certain ex-players and managers who push the narrative that Ange should be given more time. Always liked Dawson but he is in the pay of the club as an ambassador or similar, so is hardly going to slag off Ange. The same with Mabbutt, although in fairness he was on Talkshite this morning saying the senior players needed to step up, but stopped short of criticising Ange.

Harry Redknapp was also wheeled out for Alan Brazil this morning saying Ange should be given time. Harry never really digs out a manager though and didn’t again today. The closest he came was saying Ange cut a very isolated figure in the technical area in games and was surprised he doesn’t have more interaction with his coaches during a game.

I would love to see Hoddle say what he actually thinks because I’m convinced he thinks Ange is a clown who is totally out of his depth.
 
Skippa18 said:
Yeah I initially found him refreshing after Jose and Conte. Now he just grates on me, because at the end of the day he hasn't done anything in Europe but talks like he has been here and seen it all, yet getting exposed left, right and centre like a complete amateur.
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We've actually been quite poor in the Europa this season. Qarabag with 10 men fair enough. Decent performance. But beyond that we really haven't been very good at all.
 
manmountainbutters said:
And Ferguson beat BM and RM in Europe and won two meaningful European trophies

Different breed.
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Off topic here and not to denigrate Ferguson’s achievements, but it can’t be overstated just how different the footballing landscape was then, especially with regards to Scotland.

I’m not saying this is you, but I’ve seen people gravitate to the idea that Fergie took an Aberdeen side which was in some way akin to recent Dons sides to European titles because they’re purely viewing things through a modern lens. He didn’t. Aberdeen then (for a short period) were considered one of the best teams in Europe. In Willie Miller and Alex McLeish they had arguably one of the best CB partnerships in all of European football. This was long before the Premier League and the astronomical wealth disparity which exists today.
 
Mince Charming said:
Off topic here and not to denigrate Ferguson’s achievements, but it can’t be overstated just how different the footballing landscape was then, especially with regards to Scotland.

I’m not saying this is you, but I’ve seen people gravitate to the idea that Fergie took an Aberdeen side which was in some way akin to recent Dons sides to European titles, because they’re viewing things purely through a modern lens. He didn’t. Aberdeen then (for a short period) were considered one of the best teams in Europe. In Willie Miller and Alex McLeish they arguably had one of the best CB partnerships in European football. This was long before the Premier League and the astronomical wealth disparity which exists today.
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I agree with your point on wealth disparities. But it is still an incredible achievement. It really is. The fact it didn't happen much before (in particular) but also after until money really started to dominate football in the mid/late 90s says a lot. I also think Miller and McLeish were as good as they were in large part due to Ferguson
 
Mince Charming said:
Off topic here and not to denigrate Ferguson’s achievements, but it can’t be overstated just how different the footballing landscape was then, especially with regards to Scotland.

I’m not saying this is you, but I’ve seen people gravitate to the idea that Fergie took an Aberdeen side which was in some way akin to recent Dons sides to European titles because they’re purely viewing things through a modern lens. He didn’t. Aberdeen then (for a short period) were considered one of the best teams in Europe. In Willie Miller and Alex McLeish they had arguably one of the best CB partnerships in all of European football. This was long before the Premier League and the astronomical wealth disparity which exists today.
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It's true that the financial disparities weren't what they are today, but Fergie's run at Aberdeen is still truly incredible.

It was the mark of a generational managerial talent, which is precisely was he was.
 
manmountainbutters said:
I am optimistic about this squad under a competent coach. I really am. The one good thing to come out of this season has been the signing and growth of a few young kids. Get Mbeumo or some RF/RW in at that level , sort out who of the CBs can actually play football now and again, and we are in business.

Despite the Levy ceiling that means we can never (under cunty) win the league, we can still do very well in the next couple of years IF we have a good coach.
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Agree 100%
 
Gazzapen said:
After seeing the YouTube video, I looked into some of Inzaghi's tactics. It is nowhere near Ange. Yes he pushes the limits but his philosophy relies more on players being able to do everything. He never leaves his defence with only two. Even when CBs go all the way to Strike, MF become CBs and STR become midfielders. With Ange Ball, everyone runs up and leaves the 2 CBs to chase the opposition STRs.

We have Young players, like Bergvall, Spence, Gray, and Porro that can be taught to play Inzaghi's style.

Sorry I realize my Error. You are correct. I'd Love him at Spurs. I really think the Youngsters we have would make his style work.
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I didn't say the tactics were the same or even comparable please re-read without assumption. I said both systems are similar in this aspect only :-

"Ange Ball & Inzaghi ball are very similar in the fact they HAVE to use players who are comfortable & fully trained who are fully fit to pull off"

please re-read what I actually said. It means that both systems need players who versatile in the positions on the pitch - that's it.
 
guyt2030 said:
I didn't say the tactics were the same or even comparable please re-read without assumption. I said both systems are similar in this aspect only :-

"Ange Ball & Inzaghi ball are very similar in the fact they HAVE to use players who are comfortable & fully trained who are fully fit to pull off"

please re-read what I actually said. It means that both systems need players who versatile in the positions on the pitch - that's it.
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So it's a system that is inherently fragile?

But also it's a system that has been tested in an elite league once. And it's failed.
 
manmountainbutters said:
We've actually been quite poor in the Europa this season. Qarabag with 10 men fair enough. Decent performance. But beyond that we really haven't been very good at all.
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Not to worry, because Ange is developing leaders to help us get better. Remember that article from a few months back were he said

"We know where we are at. We're struggling in difficult moments because we lack some maturity and leadership. Now, there's two ways of dealing with that. You can either go and buy it, acquire it, or you can wait for it to develop within your own group."
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"We've gone down this way because I think that's the better way, for me. But with that process, it takes time and experience. You've got to go through tough times."
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"It's not nice and it's not pleasant and no one enjoys it, I certainly don't, but it's necessary. How do people react after a loss? How do people react if we haven't had the right reaction? Then you get growth.I'm so optimistic about this playing group. I think there's such a high ceiling with this group of players. The more we get exposed to difficult times, the more I believe that ceiling gets higher."
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It's obvious. The naffer we get, the more leaders emerge. Being slapped about like a gimp makes you tough, not demoralised and jaded. Conventionally, you'd have more experienced players (who show up in games) showing the awed youth how it's done. But 18 odd months of Mr Magorium's Fucked Up Emporium later, we're waiting for natural selection work its magic and for the true leaders to emerge, forged in a hotbed of passive ambivalence.
 
Nuts said:
Not to worry, because Ange is developing leaders to help us get better. Remember that article from a few months back were he said





It's obvious. The naffer we get, the more leaders emerge. Being slapped about like a gimp makes you tough, not demoralised and jaded. Conventionally, you'd have more experienced players (who show up in games) showing the awed youth how it's done. But 18 odd months of Mr Magorium's Fucked Up Emporium later, we're waiting for natural selection work its magic and for the true leaders to emerge, forged in a hotbed of passive ambivalence.
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LOL. All together now:

"HIGH CEILING, LOW FLOOR"
 
Skippa18 said:
Yeah I initially found him refreshing after Jose and Conte. Now he just grates on me, because at the end of the day he hasn't done anything in Europe but talks like he has been here and seen it all, yet getting exposed left, right and centre like a complete amateur.
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This is very true. I’ve also grown weary at this impression he tries to give in pressers/interviews, that he’s been round the block plenty of times — been there, seen it, done it etc when in fact, at this level, he’s being exposed for what he is.
 
manmountainbutters said:
So it's a system that is inherently fragile?

But also it's a system that has been tested in an elite league once. And it's failed.
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Ange ball is VERY fragile INMO all it takes is 1 mistake like a Dead Ball Pass or an interception then it's Counter Attack time for the oppenent (Like Biss ALWAYS DOES) here's a great video explaining it


View: https://youtu.be/opyS1PuwYSw?si=8lGV2MDVXir7JHn_

Again tactics on paper & in theory are great. In theory/on paper, I like Ange Ball & the idea of the double vertical diamond is good as even Jose used that laterally a few times but this isn't FM/Champ Man or Fifa these are real players on real pitches.
 
The guy will never get another top 5 leagues job (I think and hope). I read he's on 5 or 6m a year? So at min he gets / steals 10-12m from us fans, and likely a bit more.

He can then either go back to the Scottish Prem (would be interesting to see him at Hibs for example hey?), or coach an international side.
 
manmountainbutters said:
I regard Ferguson's achievements at Aberdeen as the greatest football management achievements (over a comparable period) of all time.
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The sweep of his career across radically different eras of football is astonishing and singular.

Brian Clough could well have beaten the Old Firm to the 1979-80 Scottish First Division title and Carlo Ancelotti could have outpaced City to the 2012-13 Premier League title, but no way in hell could either of them have accomplished both the way Fergie did.

Ancelotti being among the elite across three decades feels astonishing, Fergie did it across five.
 
FightingIllini said:
The sweep of his career across radically different eras of football is astonishing and singular.

Brian Clough could well have beaten the Old Firm to the 1979-80 Scottish First Division title and Carlo Ancelotti could have outpaced City to the 2012-13 Premier League title, but no way in hell could either of them have accomplished both the way Fergie did.
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Not on the Clough/Fergie debate as such (both incredible), but one thing to bear in mind is the Cup Winners' Cup in 83 was in no sense mickey mouse. Bayern and Real were taken out. And the "only the league winner qualifies" for the European Cup meant it was a much weaker tournament than the CL today. And then Aberdeen beat the European Cup winners, SV Hamburg, in the Super Cup ...
 
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