I personally think we will go on a good run from now on in and climb higher up the table than expected. Other teams will experience the same injury crisis we've had and there's still plenty to play for. COYS
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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The reality of the season prior to the injury crisis was we were within touching distance of top 4 and our underlying numbers were generally top 4 worthy.
So the logic doesn't really make sense.
The injuries have fucked our season and piled a huge amount of pressure on Ange where most people are at the point of move him on at the end of the season regardless of what happens. Not sure that's an outcome Ange would have been hoping for.
Years end meant seasons end. Need a very strong finish to stay. Ideally the euro league cup and some bloody good football with full team buy in.
The passing and movement should come from what they practice on the training pitch. After 18 months you should be able to see some progress in that area.
The pundits are la t. They often go on about the way Ange sets his teams to play, front foot, pressing, blah blah blah. In his time here I’ve very rarely seen that. The only realtime we played like that was under poch. Under Ange our press is generally pathetic. Even manure yday were so easily able to get the ball from GK to our half in 5/6 passes. We play so slow it’s unbelievable.Pundits also think we play attractive, attacking football
It’s BS,, mad only lost MADDs, Solanke, Johnson , turbo is last 4/6 weeks.
The funniest part about all of this I think is that Ange will be the first manager in many, many years given a free pass to ignore league results and focus on a cup because of how bad the results were. Nobody else who has managed us for at least 15 years has been given that chance. And if he is allowed to give zero priority to the league, I think there's a very real chance we can win the EL. Ange must be laughing his ass off at his luck right now.
In my opinion, there is only pressure on Ange if you're the sort of person that thinks injuries are meaningless and it should be 'one soldier in, one soldier out... and it doesn't matter if your top players are out, and that 18 year olds can perform like seasoned veterans..
Perhaps there is some good understanding internally within the club that context matters, rather than the fugazi from the media and the average punter... and that's why he hasn't been sacked.
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This is not a digression. It’s spot on. The European cup should always have remained for the elite teams in their respective leagues around Europe. The league winners competing against each other. The grubby fuckers at UEFA knew that letting in 3 runners up from the bigger leagues would be a money spinner and thus it came to pass.See, that's the warped logic that sets everyone but a select few up for a fall...
The League, FA Cup and Champions League are prestigious, but the Europa League and League Cups aren't to be sniffed at... Or else why aren't we winning them every year, seeing as they're so beneath us?
You're forgetting there always USED to be a Third European Trophy... the wonderfully named European Cup Winners Cup... simply because if you won it,you get to become the Cup Winners Cup winners!!!
Then doing away with it is what really started the rot...
It all became way too select, to the point they created the Champions League out of what should effectively been the UEFA Cup format revamped.
You already had your perfect format with 4-5 clubs qualifying through league positions, but by allowing 1st-4th into the Champions League, they effectively watered it down, so that it wasn't JUST the champions of each country competing each year.
This automatically lowered the level of quality, and thereby creating the 'Finishing 4th Trophy" monster!
Champions should ALWAYS only ever have competed in the European Cup.
The UEFA Cup would've been a ready made CL format, and the ECWC shoulda been left as the random club competition it often was!
I think I may have digressed!!!!!
It demeans that tournament and also creates this false narrative that anything else is shit.
It’s remarkable how the game has changed down the years.
Imagine fans in 1984, or players like Graham Roberts turning their noses up at reaching the UEFA cup final because it wasn’t the European cup?
I’m a realist and don’t think we will win the Europa cup this year but the dream of winning it doesn’t make me or anyone else anyone small time. It would easily beat 1991 FA cup, the 2 league cups since 91 and put more distance between us and the nomads in terms of European pedigree.
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There are many reasons for supporters to want Ange to stay, as there are many reasons for supporters to want him out.
For me a strong finish in the league and success in EL would be amazing regardless of the manager. I just can't see Ange being the one to deliver this. IMO anyone who watched the game against ManU and thinks we can play that way and win against a half decent team is dreaming. I see no improvement at all.
I'd be very happy for Ange to string a few wins together and prove me wrong, I want to eat the humble pie, but from what I've seen over the past 18 months there is zero chance of this happening and getting a new manager in now would give us a fighting chance in EL and set us up for a better run next season
For me a strong finish in the league and success in EL would be amazing regardless of the manager. I just can't see Ange being the one to deliver this. IMO anyone who watched the game against ManU and thinks we can play that way and win against a half decent team is dreaming. I see no improvement at all.
I'd be very happy for Ange to string a few wins together and prove me wrong, I want to eat the humble pie, but from what I've seen over the past 18 months there is zero chance of this happening and getting a new manager in now would give us a fighting chance in EL and set us up for a better run next season
The best manager in a decade is some bloke out there nobody has probably heard of (manager context) yet. Could be an ex player, assistant coach etc.
Every club wants ready made. Every club also complains about the one they should've got. Spurs took a chance on something different this time round. It most likely wont work out at this point, but I dont think Ange being hired is the worst decision the club has ever made.
Maybe he's not good enough. Maybe he was one job off being good enough. Maybe this is the job that pushes him to that next level of good enough. Who knows?
If we knew everything we'd be solving the world's problems and the clubs problems in our spare time.
Every club wants ready made. Every club also complains about the one they should've got. Spurs took a chance on something different this time round. It most likely wont work out at this point, but I dont think Ange being hired is the worst decision the club has ever made.
Maybe he's not good enough. Maybe he was one job off being good enough. Maybe this is the job that pushes him to that next level of good enough. Who knows?
If we knew everything we'd be solving the world's problems and the clubs problems in our spare time.
I agree with everything you have said. Just not sure how you think we have a very real chance of winning the EL though, considering we can’t string 3 decent passes together and struggle to even get a shot on target in most games
We just had 7 shots on target and 459 completed passes…
All with a half dozen players retuning from injuries and two players having joined the club two weeks ago.
The thing about stringing a few wins together is, you expect a side to do that and then grow in confidence and snowball into a winning machine that will grind out victories against teams of a similar level, and steamroller those of lower quality.
What you actually get with Spurs is the players getting high off the smell of their own farts, become complacent, and then blowing their own gnads off with a shotgun under little pressure at home to the league's whipping boys.
It's bizarre because it's happened time and time again under different managers, with different groups of players, over such a timespan that many are completely removed from each other. I never see us on a 4 or 5 game winning streak and go into the next game feeling that we're sure to win, more like you just know that the next catastrophe is certainly inbound no matter how lowly the opposition...
Any decent manager that could set us up in a solid 4231 formation (and with a fit squad ) would win us this cup , Ange unfortunately can’t do that and for that reason I can’t see it happening and I’m gutted about it cos we won’t get many better opportunities . No other cups and no important league games to take our eyes off the Europa , this should be our year . I pray I’m wrong about Ange .
The list of managers who couldn’t win us this cup included some decent ones… by anyone’s standards
What an absolute load of tosh.
How many of those passes were in the final third ? How many of those shots apart from the goal which counts as two shots, were classed as a half a decent opportunity ?