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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
RVN @ Leicester
18 games
15 losses - all bar two, to nil.
1 draw
2 wins

First win was in his first game.
Draw was in his second game. Scored 5 goals in those results.

Since then - 15 losses. 1 win.
Scored 4.
2 of which were in that win against us. That they deserved.
Haven't scored a single goal since.


Mental how bad they are.
Even more so that we are so bad we lost to them, deservedly.
 
ran the Brighton marathon yesterday in searing heat and a tough wind. Beat my PB by 40 mins. Didn't walk once. (OK blatant)

My mates all crowded round me at the end as I was staggering around with a medal and not quite knowing what was going on. I couldn't wait to be congratulated, lifted onto shoulders, carried round like an FA cup winning scorer or skipper.

"bad news mate! We won so he's still in charge for Thurs!"

What a fucking let down
Well done on achieving your PB :)
 
The club under Levy has been masterful at lowering expectations. The promise of Ange was simply a return to a good style of football, there was no promise of success as there isn’t under any manager we hire.

Ange came promising a good style of football and in the first half of the season minus injuries it was pretty good to watch. We had spent years with negative managers like Jose who don’t play football how Spurs fans would want. Combine that with losing by far our best player in Kane it was a tough start for Ange which he dealt with quite well. The end of season was poor and perhaps there were warning signs but as a club we can’t keep changing projects all the time. Sadly as time has worn on he has shown a lack of tactically adaptability and worse an inability to improve players. The club was right to try and support a manager in a way it often doesn’t, it just backed the wrong horse.

My fear is the club will learn the lesson to not back a manager in the future and just sack them quickly like it used to. Remember Ndombele when for the first time under Levy we spent on wages and transfer fees and have not done again and thus have no elite players. We need to back our manager and we need to buy elite players, we just have to be better with our scouting/choices like other clubs.

This season has been a mess but we have some very good young players and we are now used to playing attacking football. When we change Ange we don’t need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Ideally we need a Pochettino style coach, someone who will develop players.
Great point on Ndombele. It feels like that transfer has spooked Levy completely. He was never comfotable meeting Mourinho or Conte's demands after that. He's gone back to his risk averse approach of trying to find the next Modric and Bale by just going for the cheap young talent.
 
Great point on Ndombele. It feels like that transfer has spooked Levy completely. He was never comfotable meeting Mourinho or Conte's demands after that. He's gone back to his risk averse approach of trying to find the next Modric and Bale by just going for the cheap young talent.
I think that Levy's approach/stance is also that it is the manager's job to make the players better. The manager is to be the x factor that pushes the players that he does provide him with over the proverbial hill.

But most of the hirings post Poch have been misfires in that regard as well.
 
I think that Levy's approach/stance is also that it is the manager's job to make the players better. The manager is to be the x factor that pushes the players that he does provide him with over the proverbial hill.

But most of the hirings post Poch have been misfires in that regard as well.
3 pragmatic coaches followed by a stupidly naive attacking coach. I'd like to think the next manager will be somewhere in the middle. Iraola is probably the right fit. Attacking but not as naive as Ange. Frank is pragmatic, his teams only look good when they set up to defend against better teams, they usually struggle when on the front foot. Silva and McKenna probably the most adoptable but both could be out of their depth with us.
 
I think that Levy's approach/stance is also that it is the manager's job to make the players better. The manager is to be the x factor that pushes the players that he does provide him with over the proverbial hill.

But most of the hirings post Poch have been misfires in that regard as well.

Yeh we do normally pay well for managers although not coughing up the £15m for Slot and his coaches looks a right own goal now.

It’s funny Ange said he didn’t think there was that much difference between players at the highest level and it appears Levy thinks the same. I think they are both totally wrong on that, Arse may have overpaid for Rice but he fits Arteta like a glove.
 
3 pragmatic coaches followed by a stupidly naive attacking coach. I'd like to think the next manager will be somewhere in the middle. Iraola is probably the right fit. Attacking but not as naive as Ange. Frank is pragmatic, his teams only look good when they set up to defend against better teams, they usually struggle when on the front foot. Silva and McKenna probably the most adoptable but both could be out of their depth with us.
We have different views on Frank I see. I think that he is by far the most sensible hire. His Brentford team played some brilliant football when they got promoted. And in the Prem they have 3-5 different ways to play depending on opponent and status of the game.

And I think that we need someone a bit like him, who's able to adapt how we play and make his players better as a unit. I'm not against Iraola who is the hands on favourite. But I do think that Frank is slept on.
 
Yeh we do normally pay well for managers although not coughing up the £15m for Slot and his coaches looks a right own goal now.

It’s funny Ange said he didn’t think there was that much difference between players at the highest level and it appears Levy thinks the same. I think they are both totally wrong on that, Arse may have overpaid for Rice but he fits Arteta like a glove.
Yeah. I am totally fine and for the approach with a manager that develops players and makes them better, like Poch or Frank. But you also need to make his job easier by giving him some players that just fits his system. The manager needs a spine to rely on so he can focus on making the rest work around it.
 
Great point on Ndombele. It feels like that transfer has spooked Levy completely. He was never comfotable meeting Mourinho or Conte's demands after that. He's gone back to his risk averse approach of trying to find the next Modric and Bale by just going for the cheap young talent.

Except.... Richy, Maddison, Solanke....Romero.....
 
True wage wise, but sell on fee definitely not. Still, Richy was not the the purchase of someone who was being risk averse IMHO.
TBF to Richie, pre Spurs he wasn't an injury risk, but he was a regular starting Brasil forward.
It's not a massive risk, it was just a bit too much of a fee. IMO, he was more of a £30-£35m player
His goals to minutes ratio for us isn't at all bad, it's just his minutes overall.
I didn't want him but I knew what we were getting. When he's played, we have got that. Energy, half decent if not spectacular goal count.
You'd have to say, through gritted teeth that Romero has been the best of those 4 players and even he is still on less than Ndombele.

That transfer has been a disaster. £65m + £200k a week for 5 years for barely anything in return at all, financially or on the pitch. That's almost £120m all in.
We could sell all of Richie, Solanke, Mads and Romero easily enough.
 
Except.... Richy, Maddison, Solanke....Romero.....
I dunno mate. You found 4 examples since the Ndombele signing in 2019, and I feel like Levy 100% regrets at least 2 of them.

Levy regrets the Richarlison signing and blames Conte for pressuring him into it. That is another prime example where Levy's lesson learned from that is to never let another manager pressure him into a big signing again.

Maddison's wages are 175k a week and I'd say Levy regrets that too, hence why he refused to meet Eze or Gallagher's wage demands. Both were looking for something similar. Another lesson learned?
 
The club under Levy has been masterful at lowering expectations.
I’d suggest the opposite is true. At least it was until the last couple of seasons.

They took over a club that, whilst it had won a few trophies in the previous couple of decades, was not considered even close to being a title challenger. Or even finish in the top few clubs in the league.

By accident or design, expectation went through the roof at various stages. Under Jol for a while. Redknapp had us believing. Poch certainly did. The hiring of proven winners like Conte and Jose had us dreaming of title wins. Expectation was as high as I could ever recall.

The last two or three seasons have hit that expectation hard, but it’s still higher than it was on day one of Levy.
 
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