He refuses to accept the reality - it could be naive, it could be stubborn, all I know is that it doesn't work and it hasn't done for some time.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Ya I posted the same. Who many of the nearly £400M Ange has spent on players actually played. That was a Nuno performance without the counter attacking threat.
He was chopping and changing because he had to. My point was that we were going out pretty much full strength each and every PL game, albeit with what players were actually available. He wasn’t out resting starters typically in lieu of kids or secondary players for EL games. We kept running out the same cadre of starters game after game and running them into the ground, hence the ridiculously low “effort” levels, which was less about effort and probably more about exhaustion, carrying injuries, and lack of confidence.
He and the players did what they had to do, so my point is really about his comments about de-prioritizing the league more than anything else. I’m just not convinced we did, or at least did it for as long as he is suggesting. I can believe it from the semi-finals and on maybe but not before that.
i totally agree. best striker in the world playing for wages below his worth gets to do what he wants at a club like tottenham. ironically it's not unlike keeping a failed manager another season because he won you your first cup in years. ruthless clubs don't play these games.
I mean, Mason has been an assistant to Mourinho, Conte, and now Ange - he's had two stints looking after the club and managed a cup final, and has now been part of a major cup final win. He's arguably going to be a fine manager indeed, as his "apprenticeship" is absolute gold in terms of the range of styles and experience he's now worked with.
I think the limitations of Poch and Ange were the Bielsa and Puskas mentoring, which have obvious and distinct approaches being very attack-focused, but very little in terms of 'plan B' (let's not undo years of therapy by mentioning 'the diamond')
Yes concede chances but for months now we barely look like creating anything. In the final we created f all. How many games are we giving oppo 20 plus shots or whatever whilst we barely muster any. His whole attacking philosophy is a myth.
Poch’s team could defend. I think one season we had lowest goals against.
so you think ange coming up through the academies and coaching in austrailia is on the same level as coming up in england or europe? i guess that's not surprising coming from an illini
We lost two then as well and v Leicester we got one point from 6. That was all well before dumping the league.
no it requires scoring 3-4 goals per match in the prem which historically isn't really a thing
Fa cup has big history and you could say is harder to win. Who did palace have to beat to get there compared to who we played in Europa.
I didn't mean it that he couldn't defend, but rather than he didn't have it in him to park the bus like Jose would, or like we did on weds to get the result
The only team I've ever seen for which that philosophy worked were the Brazilians in the 1970 WC...what a summer that was...!
Really? Are you high?
He did, once...against Arse in 2014
Stank the place out, Chadli scored and then they equalised
Fun
honestly it was the first thing that gave me pause even during that first 10 match run. i couldn't seem to figure out how we or anyone was going to score enough in this league to make it work long term.
not saying its not harder to win, especially the current version of the europa league. not saying it doesnt have big history either, of course it does. but the europa league is the more prestigious football trophy. the EUFA cup has had the worlds best players from other countries competing for it, along with the heavyweight clubs of europe.
you have to win the FA cup to even enter the europa league....that tells you all you need to know on their order of prestigiousness.
How often does it need to be proven that experience and success as a player is totally meaningless in coaching?
Ryan Mason has no accomplishments whatsoever to his name as a coach. I like Ryan Mason! He should leave the nest and go start building those accomplishments!
I also agree with the notion that the Premier League is a different and more technically and physically proficient level of play than anywhere Ange has been. That's true.
But the disrespect of Ange's accomplishments that people tack onto that are pathetic and wrong. His resume is remarkable and just got even more remarkable this week. He's forgotten more about football than Mason has yet known in his young life. Get real.
Is anyone actually going to be that upset if Ange gets the sack?
Didn't the matchgoing fans hate him a week ago?
I think we all deeply appreciate what he's done for the club by winning that trophy, and sacking him would certainly heap pressure on Levy to show big ambition to kick on, but is anybody going to be outraged for poor old Ange?
That's not what I'm hearing in this thread, but maybe others disagree, I dunno.