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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Gary Player, the renowned South African golfer, famously said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get."
This quote highlights the idea that increased effort and preparation can lead to increased opportunities and a feeling of being lucky.
Essentially, the more someone prepares, the more they increase their chances of success, which can then be perceived as luck.
Levy's had loads of fucking practice.

Sharp practice.
 
Gary Player, the renowned South African golfer, famously said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get."
This quote highlights the idea that increased effort and preparation can lead to increased opportunities and a feeling of being lucky.
Essentially, the more someone prepares, the more they increase their chances of success, which can then be perceived as luck.
you're an ai experiment aren't you? have they figured out how to release chap gpt on forums?
 
Gary Player, the renowned South African golfer, famously said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get."
This quote highlights the idea that increased effort and preparation can lead to increased opportunities and a feeling of being lucky.
Essentially, the more someone prepares, the more they increase their chances of success, which can then be perceived as luck.
On the flip side of this coin, there are more than couple of stories about youth academy players who had all the talent and application in the world but one mistimed tackle on a training pitch left their undoubted promising career in smithereens.

Two best examples I can think of are our very own Terry Dixon who was meant to be far and away our best youth player when he suffered his injury, and Adrian Doherty, class of 92 member supposedly more talented than Giggs and Becks, only the 2nd ever 16 year old in football history offered a pro contract, career ended by an ACL injury before he ever debuted for the senior team.
 
Gary Player, the renowned South African golfer, famously said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get."
This quote highlights the idea that increased effort and preparation can lead to increased opportunities and a feeling of being lucky.
Essentially, the more someone prepares, the more they increase their chances of success, which can then be perceived as luck.

Yeah. Ange did all that preparing to draw Bodo in a European semi final.
 
On the flip side of this coin, there are more than couple of stories about youth academy players who had all the talent and application in the world but one mistimed tackle on a training pitch left their undoubted promising career in smithereens.

Two best examples I can think of are our very own Terry Dixon who was meant to be far and away our best youth player when he suffered his injury, and Adrian Doherty, class of 92 member supposedly more talented than Giggs and Becks, only the 2nd ever 16 year old in football history offered a pro contract, career ended by an ACL injury before he ever debuted for the senior team.
Fair points, but generally speaking the best boxers win boxing matches and the best teams win football matches.
 
Unfortunately in the land of winning and losing football is binary and especially for a club like Tottenham who are trophy starved and don't really have the means or the board to sustain a Title challenge, picking up pots is the most important thing we can do. If Ange had been gifted an easy run to the final then we can say the same thing for our previous managers, NS Mura, Genk, Zagreb etc...I didn't see us get past those matches did you? Unless you live in some alternative universe or something.

Once again reaching a final is great but you don't get to celebrate finishing 2nd, you'd have a point if we had won a trophy and finished high up in the league but alas we didn't so I can't accept your argument I'm afraid, this is all very Woolwich.

You don't need to understand it, you obviously don't agree and that's that...IMO he's earned the right to be here another season
So if I were to point out that other teams have or have had managers that have managed to balance league and cup success, it won't matter because "they didn't manage Tottenham", as if we are some absolutely unique case in world football where success factors applied by other clubs could not possibly be applied to us, and then if I point out that we as a club have had managers who tangibly managed the match load required to win a cup (because getting to a final REQUIRES PLAYING THE SAME NUMBER OF GAMES AS WINNING IT) and still achieve a respectable league finish, it is completely disregarded because they lost that final game rather than winning it, even though that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on how it may or may not have affected the league performance. If you are in a final, you have, by default, taken the competition seriously, no? So it seems facetious to suggest that the managers that lost those finals in any way shape or form prioritised league performance over winning the respective finals they were in. They were simply capable of managing more than one competition at a time.
 
That’s interesting. So Poch threw everything at the league (and just to be clear, you’re talking about the easiest, most winnable Premier League season in modern history right?) and he failed to win it, managing to finish 3rd (lol)

Ange threw everything at the Europa, which he… won?

I’ll take the latter scenario thanks!

lol????

You’re a bit of a cunt!!

Not really sure you support Spurs or just another Aussie who will fuck off sooner rather than later…..
 
Oh it’ll divide it when we continue to be absolutely bullied by any team in the premier league top half and some in the bottom.
Well yeah. If he stays on and we have an awful start, then of course more will say we need to get rid.
Story checks out

A lot of our fans are about as bright as an eclipse
Didn't think you were allowed to look directly at an eclipse...?
Your anecdote is also word for word the opposite of another poster can't recall his name think he has Gascoigne in his avatar. Said he was at the Brighton game and loads of people he spoke to were not devastated by the idea of removing Postecoglou. So I'm not sure you're making a great case for Anges retention. Just telling us about sample size. What's that axiom about the plural of anecdote not being data.
I don't think the people I spoke to would be 'devastated' if he gets sacked. Just weren't sure if he should be or not.
I don’t think anyone either Ange in or out should be castigated for their opinion. Both are valid in my book.

I loved us winning a trophy again.

However, just looking at Leicester’s run of Lost 7, won 1, lost 8 keeps telling me that he shouldn’t survive. The dreadful league form, for me cannot be mitigated by a trophy, as good as it was.
Again, I don't think people are mitigating it cos of the trophy - although it definitely makes it harder for some to get rid. Think it more injuries, not having the experience in the squad to deal with those injuries as well as the trophy.

Like I've said before, I get why people think he should go. I just don't think it's binary as some make out. I think the majority will go along with whatever the decision ends up being with just a shrug of the shoulders rather than any amount of vitriol.
 
Most human ideas are made up by humans. Funny how that works.
A man goes all in 15 times in a row on 32 red on a roulette table, and it comes up 32 red every single time, a massive statistical anomaly. You can call him "a beneficiary of an incredibly unlikely sequence of random chance events" or you can just save yourself from typing all that drivel and call him "lucky" instead.

If I win the lottery playing against millions of other people in a completely random chance draw, am I not considered "lucky" to have won instead of all those other millions of people? Just because "luck" isn't measured with a speedometer doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Yes, its a word that has no real meaning that people attribute to sequences of chance events.

But it doesn't mean anything - especially in football because the events are predominantly not random and there are so many that happen during a 90 min period that it makes a single random event that might occur barely relevant.

Hitting the post 3 times in a game is not bad luck, its poor shooting. For example.
 
So if I were to point out that other teams have or have had managers that have managed to balance league and cup success, it won't matter because "they didn't manage Tottenham", as if we are some absolutely unique case in world football where success factors applied by other clubs could not possibly be applied to us, and then if I point out that we as a club have had managers who tangibly managed the match load required to win a cup (because getting to a final REQUIRES PLAYING THE SAME NUMBER OF GAMES AS WINNING IT) and still achieve a respectable league finish, it is completely disregarded because they lost that final game rather than winning it, even though that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on how it may or may not have affected the league performance. If you are in a final, you have, by default, taken the competition seriously, no? So it seems facetious to suggest that the managers that lost those finals in any way shape or form prioritised league performance over winning the respective finals they were in. They were simply capable of managing more than one competition at a time.

Well yes we are a unique case because every club needs to be judged on it own merits and standards, you wouldn't expect this club to be able to compete for the league and the CL like Liverpool or City for example would you?

What have you actually seen of this club and in particular under this ownership model to be able to challenge on all fronts...it's been very much finish as high up in the league and forsake the cups and to many fans dismay, we ignored the cups to get CL football - this time around we ignored the league to win a trophy, a prestigious one at that that got us CL football anyway, it's a win whichever way you want to look at it.

You keep talking about getting to the final as if it's some sort of achievement lmao, what does that even prove? Well done we got to a final but we couldn't get over the line so what what was it actually worth? Whats' more our pathetic showings in finals we hadn't scored in FOUR finals in a row before the last one, why are you trying to big that up as some sort of win?, bizarre argument.

You can't argue the fact that you've taken a competition seriously by the virtue of being losers, that's not how football works. If any of these managers had won then your argument would have been completely validated but they haven't so alas...
 
However, just looking at Leicester’s run of Lost 7, won 1, lost 8 keeps telling me that he shouldn’t survive.
That Leicester game coming less than 72 hours after a crucial European win in Germany in which Maddison was added to the ranks of our injured players.

A half-fit-at-best Pape Sarr replaced Maddison in the XI, the only other change was Kinsky for Austin.

We led 1-0 at halftime.

Here was Ange's bench for that game:

Austin, Reguilon (replaced Sarr 54'), Bissouma (coming back from injury, not fit to actually feature), Olusesi, Moore (replaced Richy 54'), Ajayi, Wang, Lankshear (replaced Gray 90')
 
That’s interesting. So Poch threw everything at the league (and just to be clear, you’re talking about the easiest, most winnable Premier League season in modern history right?) and he failed to win it, managing to finish 3rd (lol)

Woolwich fans managed to gaslight people into forgetting that they spent a bunch of time at the top of the table and bottled it in the January.
They were 2 points clear at the top 20 games in, and 6 points clear of us. By match 25, we'd gone into second above them level on points and Leicester were 5 points clear.
We got within 2 points of Leicester after match 27 and although we lost to west ham in the next game when they drew (thus could have been level on points) we still would have been 2nd in GD. They went unbeaten for the rest of the season (W7 D4), so Spurs really are very unfairly criticised for having a 6 wins in a row between mid Jan and March, and instead are labelled like losers - even though it was Woolwich who dropped a load of points and relinquished their hold on the top of the table.

As you can see from this pic, Man Utd are the champions of "Winning the league in a weak season"
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Our bad luck was getting 86 points in the following season when Conte won with the 2nd highest ever points tally (at that point).
Our 86 would have been enough to win 11 of the prior 24 PL seasons. I think that's a big part of why we went downhill from there, because Poch kept saying we couldn't win it, and the team had an amazing season and probably felt defeated as a unit - like a bastard stepson realising they would never be good enough (which, of course, is not true)
 
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