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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Is that a genuine question? We just won the Europa League did we not... or was that a blip and we are 17 years away from our next bit of silverware which means we can appoint any old loser as our next manager.
I don't ask genuine questions.

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Now, you are moving the goal post...

You said 'He did not over achieve in Brentford'

Own up & say you were wrong.... and stop moving goal posts :)


Frank has managed only Brondby & Brentford in his managerial career. Brondby arent the biggest team either in the league. Brentford did win the playoff to get promoted. So , he did win something significant. Infact, probably the biggest game in Brentford history.

Btw, are you really saying, 19th wages club in league has the right to win anything ?
If thats the level you want Frank to be performing, may be Ange then should be winning the treble last season, which he didnt.

This is the issue with managers "stepping up" from clubs that have no business in the mid-to-top end of the table.

It ends up being a vacuum, because people will just sneer at mid-table finished or just about staying up, and ignore the challenge that it is. You could literally drag Brentford to two top half finishes (which he was) and then people are like "but what has he won?". With that team, it's like masterminding a CL final to get top half. Not only that, but because they aren't a well funded team, they have sold their best players each season and he's found a way to cope (aside from when Toney was banned, and they struggled - different set of circs there though).

People can say "oh but it's the structure and the scouting" - in two different stints he got maupay to look like a competent footballer. That's worthy of a trophy.
 
The consistency of form after the first 10 games, and the muscle injuries, makes me think he's incapable of setting pace over a season. Could be from some international experience, but doesn't seem hugely likely as he's been a success as a league manager.

The standard of those league does make me wonder if his key has been getting a team to be fit and professional in league that are less so.

For example, as much as everyone thinks it was better 'in their day' (e.g last century), you had pot bellied players drinking and smoking between kicking a ball. I reckon a modern championship team would walk the PL of the early 90s just on the basis that the teams back then wouldn't have a clue how to handle the pressing and endurance. Not meaning it to discredit, but Celtic is really hard not to do well there (I mean, Lennon and Rodgers haven't really translated Celtic form to the PL, bar the Slippy G season). Is it the case that's there no real magic trick to pull off in this league?
I spent over a year screaming tactical periodisation to dummies who just kept thinking it was some defensive blue print of the Portuguese. Anyone who understands modern sports science looked at what was happening at Spurs with injuries and recovery, the attritional nature of the 'we don't stop' football knew we were going to hit a wall.

The reasons I think Ange WILL lose his job are almost entirely wrapped up in how the squad was composed and prepared to fight on multiple fronts. The bloke doesn't understand the challenge and isn't up to it. No amount of magic thinking changes this.The only other way is to bring in an incredibly experience backroom and have Ange as simply the face. I don't think his ego would survive it.
 
We finished 4th bottom mate. Any other club our size would have sacked the manager long ago. The fact we haven't is unprecedented and is bound to lead to huge speculation until a statement is made one way or another.
The club is encouraging unrest among the fanbase and fueling speculation in the media by remaining silent.
They are behaving disgracefully.
My belief is the reason Enic have not instantly got rid is simply due to the fact we won the EL with him and that has afforded him an "respectful" pause before the trigger is pulled, but pulled it will be imo.
 
People actually read this thread?

I read the page I’m in and that’s it. The rest is the same bullshit being repeated ad nauseum. You can read 1 page here and that’s basically the last 300 pages summed up.
there's a lot of skimming especially the posts of the brainwashed cult boys and the walls of text manifestos. i'm going to update my ignore list when he's gone but wanted to see the meltdown in real time so i'm unfiltered atm
 
I didn't watch a single one of Klopp's finals so i cannot comment on how he lost them - he may have gone out in a blaze of glory in each just happening to lose because the other side were better.

I watched all of Poch's and he bottled them - we looked shit, uninspired and were out managed by the opposition manager. We didn't go out with a bang, we went out like a wet fart and he was not up to the job.
I have a question for you regarding 1 June 2019!
 
People actually read this thread?

I read the page I’m in and that’s it. The rest is the same bullshit being repeated ad nauseum. You can read 1 page here and that’s basically the last 300 pages summed up.
Agree! For most, myself included, regurgitating the same point just in various different ways is a release until the pain of having to consider another season with AP has finally been put to bed!
Does that make me a bad person? No just a masochist and sadist all at the same time:)
 
I spent over a year screaming tactical periodisation to dummies who just kept thinking it was some defensive blue print of the Portuguese. Anyone who understands modern sports science looked at what was happening at Spurs with injuries and recovery, the attritional nature of the 'we don't stop' football knew we were going to hit a wall.

The reasons I think Ange WILL lose his job are almost entirely wrapped up in how the squad was composed and prepared to fight on multiple fronts. The bloke doesn't understand the challenge and isn't up to it. No amount of magic thinking changes this.The only other way is to bring in an incredibly experience backroom and have Ange as simply the face. I don't think his ego would survive it.

I will bow to your knowledge of sports science, and have read a lot of posts by people who are very knowledgeable with it. I read a few over the last couple of years by people who'd put stuff on maybe SC or something, about Bale's injuries, Kane's injuries, Romero's etc - all very interesting stuff and going into the causes and how different types of exercise can cause these things.

I found myself annoyed today to read the comparison of "But Conte had them running til they threw up and didn't have these problems, so it can't be a training thing". So admitting I don't really know much about sports science myself, I still think with conviction that it isn't that simple. Team Poch seemed to have a lot of injuries, and Ange seems to have them follow him everywhere too, and I suspect (again, don't actually know) that it is the type of training? Like comparing someone doing a marathon/road-running to someone doing cycling.

What doesn't really help is the squad management, and both Poch and Ange didn't rotate several players until they were broken. Harry used to have the right idea in the EL by putting out the likes of Kane so that the first team weren't trekking across Europe for little benefit, and they'd also get some experience. It irked me a little when Scarlett and Ajayi came on and turned the elfsborg game from a dull match into one that was exciting. 3 goals, all from academy lads. Where were they after that?

Like with a time machine, we could have played the academy from February onwards in every league match and got the same points at the end of the season.
 
I will bow to your knowledge of sports science, and have read a lot of posts by people who are very knowledgeable with it. I read a few over the last couple of years by people who'd put stuff on maybe SC or something, about Bale's injuries, Kane's injuries, Romero's etc - all very interesting stuff and going into the causes and how different types of exercise can cause these things.
Does not compute...

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