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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
FightingIllini said:
Yeah I wouldn't call it an overachievement. I see his tenure more as a successful ticking off of the things he was hired for.

1. Break our trophy duck ✅
2. Turn over the squad and get younger, weathering the loss of Kane ✅
3. Impose an attacking, front-foot, possession-based style of play, flushing Jose and Conte out of the system ✅

That's not post-hoc rationalization. Go look at the first pages of this thread. He did what we asked of him.
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I absolutely don't agree with point 3 sorry. His best results have come from not doing it.
 
FightingIllini said:
3. Impose an attacking, front-foot, possession-based style of play, flushing Jose and Conte out of the system ✅
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That's a bit of a brave line, we literally didn't score in open play in any of our last 3 prem games and in the final we completed 115 passes. Even Ange could see this style of play, the one he intended to impose had failed and in the main it has been bad.

Take some of the stats to the side, this could be just me picking convenient data after all we can all do that, barring the first 10 games, we've failed the eye test and demonstably continued to get worse.

There have been the occasional good halves, thought the first half against Villa and Brighton wasn't bad, but eventually the better team would expose our defensive weakness and take advantage, then we'd fail to create meaningful chances, this running theme happened way too much under Ange and regardless of who is available we've not been good enough and I don't accept the fact that our squad is the 17th worst in the league, that's just not true, that's why he needs to go.
 
CPH_Spurs said:
If Frank has to win things and finish in top half with Brentford, then Ange has to win treble with this Tottenham squad....

See - I can also say nonsensical idiotic things...

If the logic that 19th highest wages Brentford has to win things and be in Europe.... then Tottenham should also be winning PL, FA Cup and in Europe... Am sure you will agree...right ?
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No logic to anything you write. If we dont do the treble under Frank then he's failed if that is how we are judging Ange. Still nobody has given a compelling reason why Frank should be our managet other than hes kept Brentford in the PL. Have you ever wondered why Frank who is now 53, has never been close to a big job??? Surely his amazing performance at Brentford would have got him an interview by now.
 
CPH_Spurs said:
Only that 5th came with no Europe
Only that winning EL came , with sacrificing PL

You see the problem here , on why Ange out people are being Ange out ?
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What makes you think any of the managers we are linked with can multi task the 2 of them?

All other spurs managers in my lifetime always went all out for the league and sacrificed the cups. We did that the first year under Ange and came 5th. This year we did the opposite and won a cup! I'm not sure of any manager who can combine both with us? We haven't the squad depth! Never had never will! It'll always be one or the other. Frank is being brought in to focus on the league and bin off the cups.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Hoeness got Stuttgart CL qualification last year and won them a cup this year after his team was sold or injured

He’s a different level to Frank.

If that was the Ange replacement, it would make sense to pull the trigger… probably
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he's not the worst name on that list but never managed or even played outside Germany, may not know the language, clearly struggled when asked to balance league performance with European football (ringing any bells?) and had probably the most insanely weak run to a domestic cup final in any of Europe's top 5 leagues possibly ever. They only played 2 Bundesliga sides on their way to the final (7th placed RBL at home and 12th placed Augsburg, also at home) and played a 3rd tier side in the final. Granted you can only beat what's in front of you but it hardly screams of defying all odds.
It's also entirely possible he caught lightning in a bottle with Guirassy and was overachieving and not all that great a manager.
 
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Phomesy said:
Sure but there's a massive generational split. I'd put it from my own anecdotal experience at about %60-40 OUT amongst older people and %70-30 IN amongst under 30's.

This is also backed up by online and social media polls and Reddit etc...

Also anecdotally there's one bloke in our section top of the South who is what I'd call a "Fat Cunt ANGE OUT Cultist" - he is universally despised by all the rest of us around him when the majority are also Ange Out but are NOT massive cunts about it. :D

This also gels with my experience in Bilbao and afterwards.
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I think it's not as simple as in/out, there's a lot on the fence that were probably leaning towards out but think he deserves the start of the season after the final. Don't think those people make him a popular manager. Even reddit which is often very pro-manager pro-levy etc was only polling 28% who were strongly Ange-in in their end of season survey.
 
I've been in an ongoing debate with the Frank-furters (similar to evAngelists) all day. I remain unconvinced by his appointment and nothing the furters have said has made me rethink that position. This stinks of Nuno and I wager it will end the same way. We need something inspiring, something exciting, something that makes other clubs stand up and take notice. Instead we get Frank. Hope I'm proven wrong but it's my view that this hire will not improve us. Now time to move on. I'm done with the Frank debate. My position is clear.
 
Mostly wrong said:
he's not the worst name on that list but never managed or even played outside Germany, may not know the language, clearly struggled when asked to balance league performance with European football (ringing any bells?) and had probably the most insanely weak run to a domestic cup final in any of Europe's top 5 leagues possibly ever. They only played 2 Bundesliga sides on their way to the final (7th placed RBL at home and 12th placed Augsburg, also at home) and played a 3rd tier side in the final. Granted you can only beat what's in front of you but it hardly screams of defying all odds.
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He lost most of his team to sales or injury this season. Finished 9th and won silverware,

Absolutely speaks fluent English.
 
Don Pedro said:
What makes you think any of the managers we are linked with can multi task the 2 of them?

All other spurs managers in my lifetime always went all out for the league and sacrificed the cups. We did that the first year under Ange and came 5th. This year we did the opposite and won a cup! I'm not sure of any manager who can combine both with us? We haven't the squad depth! Never had never will! It'll always be one or the other. Frank is being brought in to focus on the league and bin off the cups.
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The logic that you can either be a cup team or a league team but can't be both is getting stupid.

If you want to compete in Europe and Domestically you need a strong squad and an adaptable manager. We qualified for the Champions League the same year we got to the finals (arguably with one of our weaker squads), so logically, it's possible.

If you're saying Ange can only really focus on one thing then that really puts the finishing touch to his P45 for me.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
I absolutely don't agree with point 3 sorry. His best results have come from not doing it.
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78Spur said:
That's a bit of a brave line, we literally didn't score in open play in any of our last 3 prem games and in the final we completed 115 passes. Even Ange could see this style of play, the one he intended to impose had failed and in the main it has been bad.
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He inherited a team that reflexively reverted to cowardice when under any pressure. Beating that out of them (and selling off the players keyed to that style) was critical, and it's done.

If we sack Ange and hire a free-flowing attacking manager tomorrow we have a squad and an existing style that would make that an easy transition.

That was not the case when Ange arrived, and part of the appeal of hiring him was that he was stubborn enough in his possession-based principles to see us through predicted turbulence.
 
_mehstg said:
Sacking Ange is the right thing to do. Replacing him with Frank is the equivalent of trading in your shitty Ford Fiesta for an equally shitty Peugeot 205.
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shitty Ford Fiesta………
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Football Chap said:
I think it's not as simple as in/out, there's a lot on the fence that were probably leaning towards out but think he deserves the start of the season after the final. Don't think those people make him a popular manager. Even reddit which is often very pro-manager pro-levy etc was only polling 28% who were strongly Ange-in in their end of season survey.
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For sure he's not Poch levels of popular- I think I'm just pointing out that it's much more ambivalent out in the real world than this thread would suggest.

Again - not that that should change what should be a objective footballing decision. (Although whatever happens next levy's already fucked it by waiting too long - now everyone is fucking upset which is not good for anyone)
 
Deuterz said:
The football we played for most of Conte’s time in charge was superior in terms of effectiveness and even aesthetics compared to anything but the first 10 games under Ange. We played a lot of not park the bus football.
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Conte’s first half season was very good. But it wasn’t sit deep and counter.

Start to finish season 2 was fossil football, terrorism.

As soon as the club showed him just how unambitous they were in that summer transfer window, he was already checked out.
 
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