"The is enough talent in the squad to play the high octane football for 90 minutes, if he can keep it defensively tight, we'll definitely create mode chances up front, Woody could be on for 20 again."
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I was delighted we won. Could barely watch the final Man U corner. It's the third most prestigous trophy to win IMO. But I can't pretend the standard of oppo was good (EF are OK), or that it somehow means Ange is a great coach. It doesn't.What a pointless argument, started by those who want to view our Europa League win as a 'lesser' achievement.
Same people who beat us with 'top 4 is not a trophy', etc year after year probably.
If they don't wanna celebrate then let them be miserable. If they wanna tell themselves it wasn't an achievement then let them.
They'll never be happy. Will always find a '...but...' with any success we have.
Dour sadsacks.
I think the EL very likely is weaker than the CC.
What's the UEFA co-efficient of the top 5 teams in each tournament?
btw, I'd far rather win the EL, which puts a team on the map.
It's just easier to write Ange than Postagogluuu or whatever
You take it to seriously
Pochetino was Poch
City fans say Pep
It really is no big deal
Cheer up mate
Nah,it's not about being cheery, but bullsh!t first names for people you and others don't know.
Pochettino and Poch is completely different
"incomparably weaker than Carabao cup"
Absolute guff you talk.
Stoke, Sheffield Wednesday, Barrow, Coventry, AFC Wimbledon, and Preston all featured in the rounds of the Caribou Cup.
Porto, Roma, Galatasaray, Ajax, Anderlecht, Leon, Real Sociedad, Athletic Club, Rangers and United in the Europa League.
Are you seriusoly telling me you would rather win the Carabao Cup the the Europa League? That's seriously what you are implying?
Yet here, you're calling it the third most pretigous trophy...
You're all over the place FFS!
But your caveats are just pointless though.
They imply that we have to think less of any trophy we win unless we play the top, top teams. No other fanbase does that. If we beat Liverpool, Real and PSG on the way to a trophy but all were crippled with injuries - would we not be allowed to celebrate that too?
Like him or not, Ange is a European trophy winning coach. Every coach has their flaws. Doesn't change that stat.
My guess is he'll talk his usual talk but make some adjustments based on what he learned the first time through the league. Nottingham Forest was already bringing in players who were more attacking than what were there in previous seasons and there's been a lot of squad turnover. I think a mid-table job where he can entertain the fans and settle comfortably around 10th or so seems about right.
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And the semi finals of the league cup were Newcastle, Woolwich, Liverpool and Spurs. Infinitely harder to progress through than the EL. We should know, we went out at this stage to the league champions of England 4-1.
The quarters had the likes of Palace, United and Brentford.. easily stronger than the likes of Bodo and frankly the likes of Lyon too.
None of this takes away from the joy of winning the EL but it does put Ange’s individual achievement in to some fucking perspective.
You mean Zero%
Nuno & Ange styles are polar opposites,so yes, will get VERY interesting to see how Ange shapes that squad...
Reckon he'll go for any of ours in January? (Bissouma if he's still here maybe?)
Who the hell out of that squad would have got in ours last season?
MGW deffo... Plus I always had a hunch Ange would've liked someone like Chris Wood to manage,(maybe it was just an Antipodean assumption on my part??)based on actual output and not 'Glamour' Chris wood moonwalks into our squad
... but Wood was never the type of player that would come to Spurs and be accepted... so now we'll see how Aussie & Kiwi combine!
So you're saying the standard of opposition in a particular competition is irrelevant to how one regards success in that competition?
Er ok.
So why aren't you on this board bigging up our Audi Cup win ffs? Come on man!
We should try somehow to enter the WSL and grab some much needed glory there too!
Nah you're just being obtuse now.
My argument is that you can only beat what's in front of you.
If we beat Bodo/Glimt in the final but they had knocked out Liverpool, Real and PSG on their way to the final, is it a crap achievement cos we weren't the ones to beat them?
It's not an "argument" that you can only beat what's in front of you, it's a fact.
You're then speculating about a competition that never happened!
My point is the EL win is great, and I loved it, but I recognise it as a distant second vs the CL in terms of the standard of the competition. The evidence for that is overwhelming. Likewise the Spammers "Champions of Europe" season was farcical. Why? Because the ECL is a distant third vs the EL and CL.
Green?
I’m into that now thanks to the daughter who must be obeyed!
Quite enjoying it tbf and sometimes add a mint leaf
I do enjoy a nice green tea mid-morning actually
Flushes out me system
I do enjoy a nice green tea mid-morning actually
That’s the best time to have it
In between meals!
Ange and Maranakis are a match made in heaven. Both are extremely gung ho. Maranskis is literally betting everything on winning the EL and thus qualifying for the CL and if they do, like us, they’ll get a trophy too.
There’s no way they can finish in the top 4 so that’s their plan.
Going by Anges time with us will he change? Doubt it.
Will they avoid hamstring injuries? Doubt it.
Will they be lucky enough to play a completey shite United in the final, doubt it…
It’s gonna be fun
And if it doesn’t work out, expect to hear gun shots on MOTD
There’s no way they can finish in the top 4 so that’s their plan.
Going by Anges time with us will he change? Doubt it.
Will they avoid hamstring injuries? Doubt it.
Will they be lucky enough to play a completey shite United in the final, doubt it…
It’s gonna be fun
And if it doesn’t work out, expect to hear gun shots on MOTD
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Bullshit, christ on a bike...we're talking about quality not quantity ffs. The reason for reduced competition in the original comps is because entry into them depended on a team actually winning something...Yes I know it's an elusive concept to grasp i.e. being domestic winners in order to gain qualification but that's how a meritocracy works.
Not sure if your assertions are based on research or recall but I remember vividly the pecking order of those comps...miles on top was the EC a knock out cup competition between all the champions of their domestic leagues. Next came the CWC another knockout cup between all the domestic cup winners....notice the common theme?
Thirdly came the UEFA Cup replacing the Fairs Cup (despite Wikibullshit to the contrary) and guess who won the first one?
Pioneers we are innit because we were also the first BRITISH club ever to win a European trophy in '63...tis a very subjective matter and no doubt heavily influenced by the era you were born into, personally speaking the 'Double' will never be surpassed by a single trophy even a CL victory, others may think otherwise.