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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
citizenabel said:
Bullshit, christ on a bike...we're talking about quality not quantity ffs. The reason for reduced competition in the original comps is because entry into them depended on a team actually winning something...Yes I know it's an elusive concept to grasp i.e. being domestic winners in order to gain qualification but that's how a meritocracy works.

Not sure if your assertions are based on research or recall but I remember vividly the pecking order of those comps...miles on top was the EC a knock out cup competition between all the champions of their domestic leagues. Next came the CWC another knockout cup between all the domestic cup winners....notice the common theme?

Thirdly came the UEFA Cup replacing the Fairs Cup (despite Wikibullshit to the contrary) and guess who won the first one?

Pioneers we are innit because we were also the first BRITISH club ever to win a European trophy in '63...tis a very subjective matter and no doubt heavily influenced by the era you were born into, personally speaking the 'Double' will never be surpassed by a single trophy even a CL victory, others may think otherwise.
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Wow is all I can say.
You really are talking out of your proverbial backside here.
Pointless continuing the conversation with someone whose views are so out of sync with the general feeling and history of European competition.

Out of the top say 20 teams in Europe in any season, maybe 4 or 5 would have played in European Cup, 2 or 3 in Cup Winners Cup and maybe a dozen in the UEFA Cup. It had the quality AND quantity, unless like you, you bury your head so far in the sand.
Just look at the entry list of any given season in the 80's for example.

The Cup Winners Cup folded because it got to the stage where domestic losing semi finalists were qualifying for it, and was seen as the weakest by UEFA.
 
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Trotter said:
Wow is all I can say.
You really are talking out of your proverbial backside here.
Pointless continuing the conversation with someone whose views are so out of sync with the general feeling and history of European competition.

Out of the top say 20 teams in any season, maybe 4 or 5 would have played in European Cup, 2 or 3 in Cup Winners Cup and maybe a dozen in the UEFA Cup. It had the quality AND quantity, unless like you you bury your head so far in the sand.
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Wtf are talking about?....Your last paragraph doesn't make sense. 20 teams from where? Ony 1 i.e. ONE team from each league in Europe qualified for the EC as their domestic champions and the same goes for the CWC only 1 i.e. ONE domestic cup winner qualified. Then it came to the UEFA created for the teams who had won fuck all....is that simple enough for you?
 
i'm a petty man but i can't help but laugh that forest gets stuck with ange after laughing at us about mgw. LOL SUCK IT

having said that, ange is a pettier man than me and he'll be desperate to prove us wrong so i suspect he'll employ more pragmatism than he did with us. i still think he knows fuck all about football and it will eventually go down in flames. prob before he reaches the end of his fabled second season.
 
Hotspurpaul said:
Yeah Woolwich, Newcastle, those regular trophy winners......👍
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5th and 2nd in the premier league are better than 16th and 17th .. not sure why this would need to be explained to someone who isn't twelve. We weren't "regular trophy winners" either lmao, now we're just as regular as Newcastle are anyway.

I know this stuff winds you up Mr Epping, but it really is just inarguable truth. You can pretend the teams we faced were of a top quality if you want but nobody who isn't coping hard is actually going to believe it.
 
Deuterz said:
5th and 2nd in the premier league are better than 16th and 17th .. not sure why this would need to be explained to someone who isn't twelve. We weren't "regular trophy winners" either lmao, now we're just as regular as Newcastle are anyway.

I know this stuff winds you up Mr Epping, but it really is just inarguable truth. You can pretend the teams we faced were of a top quality if you want but nobody who isn't coping hard is actually going to believe it.
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tbf, a 12 y/o would get it, irrespective of their interest in football.
 
Deuterz said:
Lmao yeah because Newcastle vs Liverpool (5th vs 1st) is a MUCH weaker final than United vs Spurs (16th vs 17th).

The cognitive dissonance some of you suffer where you absolutely can't admit the fact the EL is pretty weak because it somehow impacts your enjoyment of us winning a trophy finally is hilarious. It just sounds dumb.
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But there are two things I strongly object to in this discourse

1. Using the generally correct insight that the CL is a much stronger competition than the EL to launder the blind stumbling luck of an actively and rapidly collapsing Poch project in 2019 as some sort of competitive apex for the club. I'm fine with general hand-waving of "oh, we got to a CL Final" but misrepresenting the actual facts of it leads a lot of analysis astray

2. Treating the EL as meaningless when it's so deeply part of the history of the club and also just rich with the true spirit of European competition, the novelty of interesting teams from interesting places competing against each other in new and unlikely matchups with contrasts of style and culture and the like. The CL's constant repeating of battles between the same ever-narrowing oligarchy is boring as entertainment even while it's the pinnacle as football, give me the EL any day.
 
Deuterz said:
5th and 2nd in the premier league are better than 16th and 17th .. not sure why this would need to be explained to someone who isn't twelve. We weren't "regular trophy winners" either lmao, now we're just as regular as Newcastle are anyway.

I know this stuff winds you up Mr Epping, but it really is just inarguable truth. You can pretend the teams we faced were of a top quality if you want but nobody who isn't coping hard is actually going to believe it.
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Toon hadn't won a fuckin trophy since the 50's you fuckin balloon, our last one was in 2008.....hardly comparable. Them coming 5th has hardly been a regular occurrence...Liverpool, yes....but a Spurs, Utd final is much more historic than Newcastle playing anyone in a final,even Liverpool....'kin'ell.....🤦‍♂️
 
FightingIllini said:
But there are two things I strongly object to in this discourse

1. Using the generally correct insight that the CL is a much stronger competition than the EL to launder the blind stumbling luck of an actively and rapidly collapsing Poch project in 2019 as some sort of competitive apex for the club. I'm fine with general hand-waving of "oh, we got to a CL Final" but misrepresenting the actual facts of it leads a lot of analysis astray

2. Treating the EL as meaningless when it's so deeply part of the history of the club and also just rich with the true spirit of European competition, the novelty of interesting teams from interesting places competing against each other in new and unlikely matchups with contrasts of style and culture and the like. The CL's constant repeating of battles between the same ever-narrowing oligarchy is boring as entertainment even while it's the pinnacle as football, give me the EL any day.
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1. Who doesn't think we had a lot of luck in that CL run? We obviously did. We still also (with luck) beat a 100+ point Manchester City team, Dortmund, navigated a group with Inter Milan and Barcelona, knocked out an Ajax team who schooled Juventus and Madrid ... even with luck, all these teams put our team of last year on its arse with Ange in charge, every single one would be overwhelming favourites to win it.

2. Nobody thinks its meaningless. The trophy win was very meaningful. It broke our duck, its a European trophy, and we needed any sort of silverware for years. That doesn't mean I'm going to join in the collective ostriching where we apparently must give Ange bags of credit for navigating past what was an objectively hilariously easy run of teams. By far the biggest obstacle was Frankfurt until a cup final against a United team who are just absolutely hideous.
 
You dont have to belittle the Europa win to know that the old UEFA cup was tougher to win than the current Europa. You can only beat whats in front of you and we did that. The old UEFA cup was called harder to win than the European cup back in the day as the depth of quality and the fact there was an extra round.

There werent many if any farmers leagues, maybe Ireland and a Scandi one or two but generally not every decent player left for the top 4 leagues and the same 6 or 7 sides so teams like Hadjuk Split and Anderlecht had loads of quality and were top sides.

Lastly, of course it was tougher as sides that finished 2nd to 4th qualified not ones that finished 5th, 6th or 7th and there was no safety net of the league system so if you were shit in 1 game there was a good chance you were going out. Really cant see how this is controversial.
 
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Hotspurpaul said:
Toon hadn't won a fuckin trophy since the 50's you fuckin balloon, our last one was in 2008.....hardly comparable. Them coming 5th has hardly been a regular occurrence...Liverpool, yes....but a Spurs, Utd final is much more historic than Newcastle playing anyone in a final,even Liverpool....'kin'ell.....🤦‍♂️
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What the fuck does "historic" have to do with the actual quality of the teams? Any final involving Manchester United is "historic" but that doesn't make them fucking good. PSG aren't exactly "historic" compared to United but I'd still bank on them smashing them for five or six most weeks.

Newcastle and Liverpool were much better teams than Manchester United and Spurs last season. The league table and head to head results show this. The trophy record from the 50's might not but its hardly fucking relevant to anyone who isn't in dentures.

The EL final was a hilarious shit off. The quality of football was exactly as you'd expect from the 16th and 17th best premier league teams from that season.
 
Deuterz said:
And the semi finals of the league cup were Newcastle, Woolwich, Liverpool and Spurs. Infinitely harder to progress through than the EL. We should know, we went out at this stage to the league champions of England 4-1.

The quarters had the likes of Palace, United and Brentford.. easily stronger than the likes of Bodo and frankly the likes of Lyon too.

None of this takes away from the joy of winning the EL but it does put Ange’s individual achievement in to some fucking perspective.
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On the other hand, the fact that we made the semis and lost to goal difference should count in favor of Ange. Or not?
 
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