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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
CarrieFi said:

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Seriously, Forest fans ought to be very worried.

It's actually hilarious reading them trying to look on the bright side on their forum, it's just a replay of what we endured on here for nigh on two whole years, even saw someone bigging up the J-League trophies and accusing others of narrow mindedness for being dismissive of them.

But also, just look at their nominated roles!

You get to be assistant coach!

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And you get to be assistant coach!

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and you get to be assistant coach!
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Sorry Rob not you...

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It's as dumb as his bloody leadership group, just pick a fucking captain Aussie David Brent :wall:
 
Deuterz said:
1. Who doesn't think we had a lot of luck in that CL run? We obviously did. We still also (with luck) beat a 100+ point Manchester City team, Dortmund, navigated a group with Inter Milan and Barcelona, knocked out an Ajax team who schooled Juventus and Madrid ... even with luck, all these teams put our team of last year on its arse with Ange in charge, every single one would be overwhelming favourites to win it.
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Ange's shower won 4-0 at the Etihad (one of two wins over City) and beat the champions Liverpool last season.

That CL Final team took 11 points from its last 12 league games.

Those teams had a lot more in common than the narrative lets on.

Also, while that Ajax side had excellent players who have gone on to prove their quality elsewhere (and also Onana and Van de Beek, lol) , you really can't say "Ajax who schooled Juventus and Madrid" and not "United, who beat Sociedad, Lyon and Bilbao".

You and I both believe we would not have won that trophy had it been Lazio in the semifinals then Bilbao at home in the Final. But those teams lost to United and Bodo!

Deuterz said:
2. Nobody thinks its meaningless. The trophy win was very meaningful. It broke our duck, its a European trophy, and we needed any sort of silverware for years. That doesn't mean I'm going to join in the collective ostriching where we apparently must give Ange bags of credit for navigating past what was an objectively hilariously easy run of teams. By far the biggest obstacle was Frankfurt until a cup final against a United team who are just absolutely hideous.
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Tottenham's ability to compete and beat the top, top teams in modern times has not been in question. Our ability to hold our nerve against the now-or-never pressure of the big occasion has been a constant albatross around our necks.

Ange got us over that hump. The quality of the opponents and the broader context of that season and his methods may well mean he did not deserve to retain his job, but that does not mean he doesn't still deserve his roses for putting out a side that could secure the result on the day where so many glittering predecessors had failed.
 
FightingIllini said:
But there are two things I strongly object to in this discourse

1. Using the generally correct insight that the CL is a much stronger competition than the EL to launder the blind stumbling luck of an actively and rapidly collapsing Poch project in 2019 as some sort of competitive apex for the club. I'm fine with general hand-waving of "oh, we got to a CL Final" but misrepresenting the actual facts of it leads a lot of analysis astray

2. Treating the EL as meaningless when it's so deeply part of the history of the club and also just rich with the true spirit of European competition, the novelty of interesting teams from interesting places competing against each other in new and unlikely matchups with contrasts of style and culture and the like. The CL's constant repeating of battles between the same ever-narrowing oligarchy is boring as entertainment even while it's the pinnacle as football, give me the EL any day.
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Is anyone actually doing (2)? Maybe a few, but from I read the point being raised is more to view the EL win in perspective. I agree re the boredom of the CL. I'd go back to the way the comps were in the 80s if only we could (i.e. if money didn't rule football).

On (1), you're right that the Poch team was in rapid decline then, though we still got a number of very good results against very good opponents. Ajax will always be one of our best ever nights.
 
Panathinaikos (Greece) made it to the 1971 final of Champions' Cup vs Ajax in Wembley and lost 2-0.
Did this make them the second best team in Europe? Especially if you consider the opponents eliminated by each of the finalists?
I get it that the route to the final of the UEFA cup was not more exciting
 
manmountainbutters said:
Is anyone actually doing (2)? Maybe a few, but from I read the point being raised is more to view the EL win in perspective. I agree re the boredom of the CL. I'd go back to the way the comps were in the 80s if only we could (i.e. if money didn't rule football).

On (1), you're right that the Poch team was in rapid decline then, though we still got a number of very good results against very good opponents. Ajax will always be one of our best ever nights.
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I still can't fathom how the governing body has worked out that having just one real money spinner competition and a couple of after thoughts is more profitable than having multiple prestigious competitions.

Even if you didn't want to go back to just Champions in the European Cup, cutting it back to the top 2 or even 3 would make for a stronger, and presumably more prestigious, Europa.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
You dont have to belittle the Europa win to know that the old UEFA cup was tougher to win than the current Europa. You can only beat whats in front of you and we did that. The old UEFA cup was called harder to win than the European cup back in the day as the depth of quality and the fact there was an extra round.

There werent many if any farmers leagues, maybe Ireland and a Scandi one or two but generally not every decent player left for the top 4 leagues and the same 6 or 7 sides so teams like Hadjuk Split and Anderlecht had loads of quality and were top sides.

Lastly, of course it was tougher as sides that finished 2nd to 4th qualified not ones that finished 5th, 6th or 7th and there was no safety net of the league system so if you were shit in 1 game there was a good chance you were going out. Really cant see how this controversial.
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just fucking fools, its boring now anyway, let them think the europa league win was the biggest achievement little old spurs has ever managed. silly mugs.
 
FightingIllini said:
Ange's shower won 4-0 at the Etihad (one of two wins over City) and beat the champions Liverpool last season.

That CL Final team took 11 points from its last 12 league games.

Those teams had a lot more in common than the narrative lets on.

Also, while that Ajax side had excellent players who have gone on to prove their quality elsewhere (and also Onana and Van de Beek, lol) , you really can't say "Ajax who schooled Juventus and Madrid" and not "United, who beat Sociedad, Lyon and Bilbao".

You and I both believe we would not have won that trophy had it been Lazio in the semifinals then Bilbao at home in the Final. But those teams lost to United and Bodo!


Tottenham's ability to compete and beat the top, top teams in modern times has not been in question. Our ability to hold our nerve against the now-or-never pressure of the big occasion has been a constant albatross around our necks.

Ange got us over that hump. The quality of the opponents and the broader context of that season and his methods may well mean he did not deserve to retain his job, but that does not mean he doesn't still deserve his roses for putting out a side that could secure the result on the day where so many glittering predecessors had failed.
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Oh my two whole results in an entire season!! Including a first leg result that we went on to lose 4-1 in. Lol.

They didn’t. The CL final team had issues but finished fourth. Ange’s shower ended up 17th. Worlds away.

Lyon who were the 6th best team in France, Sociedad who were mid table in Spain .. it’s basically just Bilbao mate, and whilst they’re a solid team, fourth in la liga is hardly some hallmark of top quality either.

Fuck Ange. Got laughably lucky. I’m happy he did but he won’t get an ounce of credit from me for the luck. He didn’t coach shit during those knockout games.
 
Herclueless said:
Seriously, Forest fans ought to be very worried.

It's actually hilarious reading them trying to look on the bright side on their forum, it's just a replay of what we endured on here for nigh on two whole years, even saw someone bigging up the J-League trophies and accusing others of narrow mindedness for being dismissive of them.

But also, just look at their nominated roles!

You get to be assistant coach!

:ange-arms:

And you get to be assistant coach!

:ange-arms2:

and you get to be assistant coach!
:angehug:
Sorry Rob not you...

:ange-hands-head:

It's as dumb as his bloody leadership group, just pick a fucking captain Aussie David Brent :wall:
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I'm LOVING it. Two big Greek boys running the show.

Wee Cucky Munn fluffing away in the corner.
 
manmountainbutters said:
On (1), you're right that the Poch team was in rapid decline then, though we still got a number of very good results against very good opponents. Ajax will always be one of our best ever nights.
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One of my most cherished memories as a sports fan, not despite but substantially BECAUSE we were completely dominated by Ajax over both legs. Should have been 5-0 at halftime of the second leg.
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Herclueless said:
I still can't fathom how the governing body has worked out that having just one real money spinner competition and a couple of after thoughts is more profitable than having multiple prestigious competitions.

Even if you didn't want to go back to just Champions in the European Cup, cutting it back to the top 2 or even 3 would make for a stronger, and presumably more prestigious, Europa.
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It's not about maximizing the amount of money (and CERTAINLY not about growing the game and generating interest and attendance and viewership as broadly as possible), the goal of the way the competitions are structured is to guarantee the income level of the cabal of elite clubs to the maximum share of the total pie in as secure a way as possible.
 
marxoulis said:
Panathinaikos (Greece) made it to the 1971 final of Champions' Cup vs Ajax in Wembley and lost 2-0.
Did this make them the second best team in Europe? Especially if you consider the opponents eliminated by each of the finalists?
I get it that the route to the final of the UEFA cup was not more exciting
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It was better back then because money was so much less a factor. Remember Mechelin and Aberdeen? Those were the days.

I think the other important thing is that club teams had more of an identity grounded in their nationality back them. The dirty I-ties, the efficient Germans, the hot-headed Spanish. All laughable and true.

Now the top teams are all interchangeable multi-millionaires from all over the world

Then you have the decline of the English football ground as a fortress.

Anyway, broadcasting has improved at least.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Oh ffs, wake the fuck up.
It is by 10 country miles the weakest trophy this club has won. It is factually undisputable. Not an opionion but fact.

EL after CL teams do not fall into it from some point on is incomparably weaker than Carabao cup.
It literally has ALL the best teams not participating.

Awesome that we got CL place and can mock Arsescum and don't have to hear media crap about Spurs not winning anything, but this trophy is consolation prize for much lesser teams. Not something to brag about as top 15 richest clubs (beating mostly clubs with fraction of our resources).
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Crikey...
 
TheSpurEst said:
Oh ffs, wake the fuck up.
It is by 10 country miles the weakest trophy this club has won. It is factually undisputable. Not an opionion but fact.
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The '81 FA Cup has a shout.

We needed a replay to beat second division QPR, then beat relegated from the third division Hull, 16th place Coventry, third division Exeter City, 18th place Wolves with a replay, then 12th place Manchester City in the final.

It's the glory that endures, the context fades. :angecup:
 
Deuterz said:
What the fuck does "historic" have to do with the actual quality of the teams? Any final involving Manchester United is "historic" but that doesn't make them fucking good. PSG aren't exactly "historic" compared to United but I'd still bank on them smashing them for five or six most weeks.

Newcastle and Liverpool were much better teams than Manchester United and Spurs last season. The league table and head to head results show this. The trophy record from the 50's might not but its hardly fucking relevant to anyone who isn't in dentures.

The EL final was a hilarious shit off. The quality of football was exactly as you'd expect from the 16th and 17th best premier league teams from that season.
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Not saying it wasn't a 'shit off''....we had the fact that our 3 attacking midfielders were all missing at least,....what was Utds excuse?....🤷‍♂️....also we had shat the bed in recent times in big games, even with a better team than the opponent...
Every fuckin neautral i saw/watched before the game said Utd would win it, just because, you know it's 'Spurs'....so just to get over that big mental barrier was huge imo, shit game or not.
 
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