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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Kiro Kompiro said:
To quote Pep speaking to his players :" My job is to get you to the final third. Yours is to finish".

Forest had over 60 shots on goal and scored once. ONCE.

Even with us, even in the last season, there were some diabolically-bad goal misses, and that's how football is: its a low-scoring sport you don't take your chances, you will lose.

I don't think anyone will forget THE Chelsea game. Yes crazy high line with nine men. Even with nine men and the highest of high lines, we created genuine chances on goal. They left it all out on the pitch. The fans gave the players an ovation at the end. . And then some of those fans used it a stick to beat him with, even if we were losing that game either way.
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That's a nonsense quote though if you spend any amount of time thinking about it.

So all of the rest of the team have no responsibility because it's on Pep to get the ball into the final third, if they do a poor job then it's Pep's fault, but the strikers? They miss and it's all on them?

No accounting for the quality of service in the final third? Or is the cross also considered the "finish"?

The manager's job is to provide the best platform for the side to flourish, all the way from keeper to striker. If your having 60 shots and only scoring 1 goal then odds are the shots that you're taking aren't really high quality chances at all and so you shouldn't be taking much credit for providing them, and you're not really providing the best platform to flourish. Essentially that's just bragging about quantity over quality.

On the flipside, even if the 60 chances were all amazing, nailed on chances, then the coach is responsible for training these players, and picking them. If your forwards are missing 59/60 amazing chances then ultimately some responsibility does fall on the manager.
 
Herclueless said:
That's a nonsense quote though if you spend any amount of time thinking about it.

So all of the rest of the team have no responsibility because it's on Pep to get the ball into the final third, if they do a poor job then it's Pep's fault, but the strikers? They miss and it's all on them?

No accounting for the quality of service in the final third? Or is the cross also considered the "finish"?
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I don't read Pep's quote that way. If the players are not playing to instruction and then its certain they won't be in his squad for long.

And he's always bought world class finishers. Never in a million years would a Richarlson or Solanke lead the line in a Pep team.


Herclueless said:
The manager's job is to provide the best platform for the side to flourish, all the way from keeper to striker. If your having 60 shots and only scoring 1 goal then odds are the shots that you're taking aren't really high quality chances at all and so you shouldn't be taking much credit for providing them, and you're not really providing the best platform to flourish. Essentially that's just bragging about quantity over quality.
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In no universe is 60 shots for one goal a managerial problem. Some of the misses were pub team level joke attempts.

Herclueless said:
On the flipside, even if the 60 chances were all amazing, nailed on chances, then the coach is responsible for training these players, and picking them. If your forwards are missing 59/60 amazing chances then ultimately some responsibility does fall on the manager.
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He had around 8 games with a squad that wasn't his...

Its not talked about much, but he was on very thin ice when he started at Celtic and for the same reason, with his players missing some absolute sitters. It I was watching thinking these shit cunts are getting him sacked.....and then about 6 weeks in there was the game where the iirc the full back scored an injury time winner and it clicked...
 
Herclueless said:
That's a nonsense quote though if you spend any amount of time thinking about it.

So all of the rest of the team have no responsibility because it's on Pep to get the ball into the final third, if they do a poor job then it's Pep's fault, but the strikers? They miss and it's all on them?

No accounting for the quality of service in the final third? Or is the cross also considered the "finish"?

The manager's job is to provide the best platform for the side to flourish, all the way from keeper to striker. If your having 60 shots and only scoring 1 goal then odds are the shots that you're taking aren't really high quality chances at all and so you shouldn't be taking much credit for providing them, and you're not really providing the best platform to flourish. Essentially that's just bragging about quantity over quality.

On the flipside, even if the 60 chances were all amazing, nailed on chances, then the coach is responsible for training these players, and picking them. If your forwards are missing 59/60 amazing chances then ultimately some responsibility does fall on the manager.
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I think he meant he credits the players for assists and scoring, not himself. I don't think it's meant to be used in a reverse psychological way that he doesn't credit the rest of the team with their part in the match.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
To quote Pep speaking to his players :" My job is to get you to the final third. Yours is to finish".

Forest had over 60 shots on goal and scored once. ONCE.

Even with us, even in the last season, there were some diabolically-bad goal misses, and that's how football is: its a low-scoring sport you don't take your chances, you will lose.

I don't think anyone will forget THE Chelsea game. Yes crazy high line with nine men. Even with nine men and the highest of high lines, we created genuine chances on goal. They left it all out on the pitch. The fans gave the players an ovation at the end. . And then some of those fans used it a stick to beat him with, even if we were losing that game either way.
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I think the players really loved him to be honest. Would have a liked to seen him till Christmas but hey ho.
 
candrews said:
So many people on this forum just either pretend this stuff doesn't matter, or stupidly don't realise the importance of it.

Belief is everything. Just let down by the fans not supporting him, and the club not backing him.
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What a load of arse. Yes, motivation and belief matters. He was clearly a great man-manager and the players liked him.

He was also completely out of his depth in terms of coaching a team at the top level. We had one... one good run of games in 2 years with him as a coach. Genuinely terrible form for best part of 18 months and it wasnt down to the fans, or the board, but a playing philosophy that was downright suicidal against top sides. He then proceeded to underline that by being sacked again a few months later.
 
LLB Part Deux said:
What a load of arse. Yes, motivation and belief matters. He was clearly a great man-manager and the players liked him.

He was also completely out of his depth in terms of coaching a team at the top level. We had one... one good run of games in 2 years with him as a coach. Genuinely terrible form for best part of 18 months and it wasnt down to the fans, or the board, but a playing philosophy that was downright suicidal against top sides. He then proceeded to underline that by being sacked again a few months later.
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LLB Part Deux said:
What a load of arse. Yes, motivation and belief matters. He was clearly a great man-manager and the players liked him.

He was also completely out of his depth in terms of coaching a team at the top level. We had one... one good run of games in 2 years with him as a coach. Genuinely terrible form for best part of 18 months and it wasnt down to the fans, or the board, but a playing philosophy that was downright suicidal against top sides. He then proceeded to underline that by being sacked again a few months later.
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To me this kind of thing only serves to highlight just how poor a football coach he really is.

He's an incredible speaker, who the players adored, and yet despite that his coaching and tactics are so inept they totally negate that positive and then some.
 
candrews said:
So many people on this forum just either pretend this stuff doesn't matter, or stupidly don't realise the importance of it.

Belief is everything. Just let down by the fans not supporting him, and the club not backing him.
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You can believe in one hand and hope in the other, you’ll still be empty handed

All that supposed belief and inspiration turned into two years of mostly dire results.

I don’t buy the load of nonsense for a moment that the fans caused Ange to fail. Even he didn’t claim that, he consistently blamed the players or said they’d just been unlucky.

Good managers succeed and don’t need excuses to be made for them long after they leave
 
Herclueless said:
To me this kind of thing only serves to highlight just how poor a football coach he really is.

He's an incredible speaker, who the players adored, and yet despite that his coaching and tactics are so inept they totally negate that positive and then some.
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By most accounts, it seemed he was not concerned with coaching the players at all and didn’t really get into that. No one really developed positively while he was here.

As a whole manager he just seemed to be this system he employed that he thought was infallible. Which system works in lower leagues or against puny competition, but never at this level.
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
As a whole manager he just seemed to be this system he employed that he thought was infallible. Which system works in lower leagues or against puny competition, but never at this level.
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Which played a part in his relationship with large swats of the fanbase falling apart in spite of how good of a speaker and charmer that he is.

It wasn't about Tottenham doing well so much as it was about Ange having his system working at this level and proving that he could hang at this level.

Having belief in yourself is good and all, but football is a team sport and you are judged on how well your team is doing as on your individual performances. Even more so on team performance if you are a manager.
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
You can believe in one hand and hope in the other, you’ll still be empty handed

All that supposed belief and inspiration turned into two years of mostly dire results.

I don’t buy the load of nonsense for a moment that the fans caused Ange to fail. Even he didn’t claim that, he consistently blamed the players or said they’d just been unlucky.

Good managers succeed and don’t need excuses to be made for them long after they leave
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As usual people blaming the fans for wanting to win games. Its mind boggling. Imagine paying higest prices in world football and wanting to beat relegated Ipswich and leicester at home. How dare we
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
By most accounts, it seemed he was not concerned with coaching the players at all and didn’t really get into that. No one really developed positively while he was here.

As a whole manager he just seemed to be this system he employed that he thought was infallible. Which system works in lower leagues or against puny competition, but never at this level.
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Which would be absolutely fine if he had the self-awareness to see his own shortcomings and diligently appoint a coaching staff that compensated for them. Instead he compounded the issue by hiring a bunch of similarly deficient yes men, in a way probably further demonstrating his own arrogance, if he wasn't good at it then it probably isn't important...

It's no surprise on reflection that the best displays under him came in the first few months, it gave a false optimism with the theory that with more time things would get even better as the players got to grips with the "system" and we'd be smashing teams by 3, 4, or 5 goals on the regular. As it transpired, there was no system to speak of really, it was just utter chaosball and so the initial lack of familiarity with what the manager was after was actually the peak, the players couldn't get to grips with anything and become expert at it because there was nothing to get to grips with!
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
By most accounts, it seemed he was not concerned with coaching the players at all and didn’t really get into that. No one really developed positively while he was here.

As a whole manager he just seemed to be this system he employed that he thought was infallible. Which system works in lower leagues or against puny competition, but never at this level.
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TBH, I see how shit our players have become under Frank the fraud I think the players have in fact over-performed under Ange. Even Gray and Dragusin as CB under Ange defended better than fully fit VdV-Romero under the fraud.
 
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