Manager Ange Postecoglou

[AberdeenYid]

He'd have needed almost two first teams for it to work. It was ineptitude by the board to hire him, not look at previous injury records on his first couple of seasons at his previous clubs. That intense system isn't sustainable for a small squad, as we found out, and when it went wrong, it went wrong horribly.

Not sure it would've worked out in the end, I have my doubts, but no doubt the club didn't do the proper due diligence and the appointment was failed was from the get go.

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Aye, certainly would’ve needed more players, hence my thinking that it may have worked in the end after further windows. I find it tremendously difficult to believe he’d have went into this season with Udogie, backed up only by Spence and Davies, for example. Nothing will convince me we wouldn’t have signed a proper left back, either first team or backup, if he had still been in charge and demanded it happen.

 

[harry7]

He'd have needed almost two first teams for it to work. It was ineptitude by the board to hire him, not look at previous injury records on his first couple of seasons at his previous clubs.

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You do realise that the squad size is 25 (+ under 21 players). That is more than 2 first teams.

The ineptitude is the club thinking that a bunch of inexperienced kids would be good enough to make up the numbers - and then firing all the medical staff and hiring some clowns.

 

[Timberwolf]

I talked with a lot of Celtic fans, I lived in Edinburgh at the time so seen a lot of SPL games (even took a buddies Hibs season ticket for the year while he was away), and the general was consensus was that they'd be worried about how small our squad was and how patient we'd be. Generally, players get used to it by year 3, which we'll never know. Think it might've even been mentioned on Last Word on Spurs that to play that intense style you need depth at every position.

So yeah, who knows what could've been. Could just be a case that he couldn't translate to the PL either, bit certainly the club put him on the back foot.

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I also imagine that due to at least half of the SPL being complete dross, Celtic could get away with not needing to press non stop anyway as they could just smother the opposition and have complete control of the ball, a bit like peak Man City/Barca did. Yeah - just had a look and in 22/23 they had between 70 and 80% of the ball most games - averaging at least 10% more than he had at Spurs the following season.

At any given time about 18/20 teams in the Prem can hurt you and need to be taken seriously so I'd imagine Ange's Spurs team had to do far more running that his Celtic team did (outside of European games).

 

[Auscock]

Ange said from day one that it would take a few seasons to turn it all around and build the squad and system he envisaged. It's a pity the management didn't back him to get the players he wanted, like Gallagher.

First season he did reasonably well and got us back into Europe.

Second season he was hampered by all the injuries, so much so that more than half the first eleven were out.
So he decided to concentrate on the EL. Which he WON!!!! And got us back into the CL.
What is more important?
Finishing in the top four, or winning a cup and getting us into CL?

As for the bullshit on here about Ange causing the injuries, the players are supposed to be top athletes.
Does a 100 metre sprint coach tell his client...."Listen mate, I think you should take it easy in this race as you might do your hammy...."

I don't recall any fans booing last season even though we finished 17th.
I also don't recall any dicsension from the players. They were 100% behind Ange.

I'm not an avid "soccer" fan as you mob over there, but I watched most of Spurs games 23/24 & 24/25 seasons and really enjoyed them.

This season, I've watched about 5 games and it is so boring.

BRING BACK ANGE

 

[Timberwolf]

Ange said from day one that it would take a few seasons to turn it all around and build the squad and system he envisaged. It's a pity the management didn't back him to get the players he wanted, like Gallagher.

First season he did reasonably well and got us back into Europe.

Second season he was hampered by all the injuries, so much so that more than half the first eleven were out.
So he decided to concentrate on the EL. Which he WON!!!! And got us back into the CL.
What is more important?
Finishing in the top four, or winning a cup and getting us into CL?

As for the bullshit on here about Ange causing the injuries, the players are supposed to be top athletes.
Does a 100 metre sprint coach tell his client...."Listen mate, I think you should take it easy in this race as you might do your hammy...."

I don't recall any fans booing last season even though we finished 17th.
I also don't recall any dicsension from the players. They were 100% behind Ange.

I'm not an avid "soccer" fan as you mob over there, but I watched most of Spurs games 23/24 & 24/25 seasons and really enjoyed them.

This season, I've watched about 5 games and it is so boring.

BRING BACK ANGE

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‘You’ve got to cop it’: Postecoglou confronted by Spurs fans after defeat

Ange Postecoglou vowed to keep fighting to revive Tottenham’s fortunes after receiving ‘some direct feedback’ from disgruntled fans at Bournemouth

www.theguardian.com

"Spurs boss Postecoglou was booed and heckled by a frustrated away end at the Vitality Stadium"

Ange Postecoglou: Tottenham boss 'not affected' by abuse from some supporters

Tottenham head coach Ange Postecoglou says he is not affected by the abuse he receives from some supporters and "will continue fighting".

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"Postecoglou cupped his ear in the direction of the travelling Spurs fans after substitute Pape Sarr, whose introduction was booed four minutes earlier, scored an equaliser which was later disallowed."

It was pretty bloody toxic in the last 5 months of the league last season. Booing, scraps with fans and horrific football.

I don't hate Ange or anything but some of the revisionism is a bit much. Outside of a handful of games in the first couple of months the football really wasn't good last season and Ange's team got booed plenty.

 

[Murphy]

I still believe that his system, tactic, strategy, whatever you want to call it, would have worked eventually. If he had another couple of windows to get the players he needed to deliver it properly.

However, his biggest failing, for me, was what also did for Amorim - you don’t have the players to play the system you want to play, so you have to do something else to keep us at a decent level until you do. I really like the arrogance of “this is the way we play and fuck whoever we are playing”. But it’s only a valid point of view if you have the players to deliver.

He should have bent to what was available to him and put aside his strong beliefs until everyone was ready. That he didn’t was a huge failing and I’d suggest he shouldn’t be so proud as to understand this and maybe do things differently next time. If there is to be a next time.

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If he had competent back ups to defenders that were like for like then we wouldn’t have seen half the fall off.

Not having a decent left back for most of his time and only having one lightning quick CB showed him up. With Micky it was always that little more effective.

 

[Auscock]

‘You’ve got to cop it’: Postecoglou confronted by Spurs fans after defeat

Ange Postecoglou vowed to keep fighting to revive Tottenham’s fortunes after receiving ‘some direct feedback’ from disgruntled fans at Bournemouth

www.theguardian.com

"Spurs boss Postecoglou was booed and heckled by a frustrated away end at the Vitality Stadium"

Ange Postecoglou: Tottenham boss 'not affected' by abuse from some supporters

Tottenham head coach Ange Postecoglou says he is not affected by the abuse he receives from some supporters and "will continue fighting".

www.bbc.com

"Postecoglou cupped his ear in the direction of the travelling Spurs fans after substitute Pape Sarr, whose introduction was booed four minutes earlier, scored an equaliser which was later disallowed."

It was pretty bloody toxic in the last 5 months of the league last season. Booing, scraps with fans and horrific football.

I don't hate Ange or anything but some of the revisionism is a bit much. Outside of a handful of games in the first couple of months the football really wasn't good last season and Ange's team got booed plenty.

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Fair enough.
I still think Ange would have done a lot better job with the current squad than Frank.

 

[JimothyCF14]

I don't recall any fans booing last season even though we finished 17th.

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If you don't recall the booing, Ange being held back while he argued with fans, Ange cupping his ears to the fans then all I can say is you weren't paying attention or didn't go to many games.

 

[White Van Jan]

Ange said from day one that it would take a few seasons to turn it all around

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You're ignoring his record at Forest. That team was on the cusp of CL last season. He was fired after just 8 matches. A record of 0-2-6. That's nailed on relegation form. In fact exactly what Ramos achieved with us.

Which pretty much shows that 22 PL losses with us was NOT an outlier. More nailed on relegation form.

As for the bullshit on here about Ange causing the injuries,

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C'mon. Even Celtic had a load of injuries, and they'll inevitably win 80% of their games before the season's started.

Our "sprints without the ball" were literally off the chart - they had to draw a bigger chart to include us. That's why hammies were pinging so often. Because when we lost the ball in MF we were suddenly outnumbered and in panic mode.

And that first season - we only had 41 matches. One more than the fewest we could ever play. And the form in the last 10 still fell off a cliff. With 41 matches that was when we SHOULD have been taking teams to the cleaners.

I'm not an avid "soccer" fan as you mob over there

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Nuff said. It's not being rude to say you don't know what you're talking about.

Could he work in the PL? Probably only at City where he's could have the best players and enough of them too. For anyone else he'd get found out. After the first 10 games of his first season every manager had a blueprint of how to play against us.

I don't hate Ange or anything but some of the revisionism is a bit much. Outside of a handful of games in the first couple of months the football really wasn't good last season and Ange's team got booed plenty.

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This 100%.

My son called it was early as Nov first season. I held on till Nov 24 but at that point it looked obvious that he was out of his depth and every other manager had worked us out.

 

[Herclueless]

You're ignoring his record at Forest. That team was on the cusp of CL last season. He was fired after just 8 matches. A record of 0-2-6. That's nailed on relegation form. In fact exactly what Ramos achieved with us.

Which pretty much shows that 22 PL losses with us was NOT an outlier. More nailed on relegation form.

C'mon. Even Celtic had a load of injuries, and they'll inevitably win 80% of their games before the season's started.

Our "sprints without the ball" were literally off the chart - they had to draw a bigger chart to include us. That's why hammies were pinging so often. Because when we lost the ball in MF we were suddenly outnumbered and in panic mode.

And that first season - we only had 41 matches. One more than the fewest we could ever play. And the form in the last 10 still fell off a cliff. With 41 matches that was when we SHOULD have been taking teams to the cleaners.

Nuff said. It's not being rude to say you don't know what you're talking about.

Could he work in the PL? Probably only at City where he's could have the best players and enough of them too. For anyone else he'd get found out. After the first 10 games of his first season every manager had a blueprint of how to play against us.


This 100%.

My son called it was early as Nov first season. I held on till Nov 24 but at that point it looked obvious that he was out of his depth and every other manager had worked us out.

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If only the rest of the Angelistas had the self-awareness to admit the same...

 

[postbox]

I still believe that his system, tactic, strategy, whatever you want to call it, would have worked eventually. If he had another couple of windows to get the players he needed to deliver it properly.

However, his biggest failing, for me, was what also did for Amorim - you don’t have the players to play the system you want to play, so you have to do something else to keep us at a decent level until you do. I really like the arrogance of “this is the way we play and fuck whoever we are playing”. But it’s only a valid point of view if you have the players to deliver.

He should have bent to what was available to him and put aside his strong beliefs until everyone was ready. That he didn’t was a huge failing and I’d suggest he shouldn’t be so proud as to understand this and maybe do things differently next time. If there is to be a next time.

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I really dont think so, not without some proper evolution in what that system was/how it worked.

Much like Frank now, the tactics are the bigger issue than the players.

Anges system looked better/more entertaining for sure, but it was equally as flawed (just in the opposite way )

Until such a time he was prepared to promote some more patient, meaningful possession...

Until such a time he was prepared to consider defending as more than abusing Mickys hamstrings...

...he was never going to actually do better. New players or not.

And I think his ego dictated, that was never going to happen.

Oh Ange, what could have been...

 

[Shadydan]

I really dont think so, not without some proper evolution in what that system was/how it worked.

Much like Frank now, the tactics are the bigger issue than the players.

Anges system looked better/more entertaining for sure, but it was equally as flawed (just in the opposite way )

Until such a time he was prepared to promote some more patient, meaningful possession...

Until such a time he was prepared to consider defending as more than abusing Mickys hamstrings...

...he was never going to actually do better. New players or not.

And I think his ego dictated, that was never going to happen.

Oh Ange, what could have been...

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I don't think this is true, we were bemoaning the fact that our forwards were poor and that they couldn't hold onto the ball hence why we get getting transitioned, he would have loved Kudus over Johnson for example, all that space for 1v1 play he would have had.

 

[AberdeenYid]

You're ignoring his record at Forest. That team was on the cusp of CL last season. He was fired after just 8 matches. A record of 0-2-6. That's nailed on relegation form. In fact exactly what Ramos achieved with us.

Which pretty much shows that 22 PL losses with us was NOT an outlier. More nailed on relegation form.

C'mon. Even Celtic had a load of injuries, and they'll inevitably win 80% of their games before the season's started.

Our "sprints without the ball" were literally off the chart - they had to draw a bigger chart to include us. That's why hammies were pinging so often. Because when we lost the ball in MF we were suddenly outnumbered and in panic mode.

And that first season - we only had 41 matches. One more than the fewest we could ever play. And the form in the last 10 still fell off a cliff. With 41 matches that was when we SHOULD have been taking teams to the cleaners.

Nuff said. It's not being rude to say you don't know what you're talking about.

Could he work in the PL? Probably only at City where he's could have the best players and enough of them too. For anyone else he'd get found out. After the first 10 games of his first season every manager had a blueprint of how to play against us.


This 100%.

My son called it was early as Nov first season. I held on till Nov 24 but at that point it looked obvious that he was out of his depth and every other manager had worked us out.

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It’s a bit strange to respond to a post saying he’d have needed a few seasons to turn things around by quoting his few weeks at Forest. Also, whilst it’s a fact to say they were on the cusp of the CL last season, things obviously weren’t as rosey this season, or he’d not have got the job in the first place. And as has been stated, the underlying metrics showed he was a victim of having shite strikers (so maybe change the way they played? Tough in 6 training sessions). If I were looking to attack him in any way, his time at Forest would be the last thing I’d use as artillery.

He lost plenty enough games by being inflexible with his tactics whilst here. More than enough to get him the sack. Just a shame we have replaced him with someone many times worse.

 

[Notabadsquad]

The year is 2059, and the forum is now mostly the domain of the children of previous users,but the one constant is the legend that has become Postecoglou.

That mystical character that brought light to a darkened room, and who cast a spell that put many into a trance.

There are now calls for an exorcist to rid the spell of the legend now seen by some as a wizard with Gandalf-like qualities.

FFS.

 

[Shadydan]

The year is 2059, and the forum is now mostly the domain of the children of previous users,but the one constant is the legend that has become Postecoglou.

That mystical character that brought light to a darkened room, and who cast a spell that put many into a trance.

There are now calls for an exorcist to rid the spell of the legend now seen by some as a wizard with Gandalf-like qualities.

FFS.

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I think you're struggling in here, I'd probably suggest not clicking on the thread and reading it if it upsets you

For me free advice, like, follow and subscribe.

 

[1882]

It's the year of the homecoming...

I think Ange ends up back at Celtic next season, and everyone is hapoy.
Martin O'Neill can only keep fighting so many fires!

 

[AberdeenYid]

It's the year of the homecoming...

I think Ange ends up back at Celtic next season, and everyone is hapoy.
Martin O'Neill can only keep fighting so many fires!

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Can see that happening. Particularly if Celtic fail to win the league this season.

Ange then rejoins to multiple posts on here about how any Celtic manager can win in Scotland, disregarding the fact that they just didn’t win.

 

[Murphy]

You're ignoring his record at Forest. That team was on the cusp of CL last season. He was fired after just 8 matches. A record of 0-2-6. That's nailed on relegation form. In fact exactly what Ramos achieved with us.

Which pretty much shows that 22 PL losses with us was NOT an outlier. More nailed on relegation form.

C'mon. Even Celtic had a load of injuries, and they'll inevitably win 80% of their games before the season's started.

Our "sprints without the ball" were literally off the chart - they had to draw a bigger chart to include us. That's why hammies were pinging so often. Because when we lost the ball in MF we were suddenly outnumbered and in panic mode.

And that first season - we only had 41 matches. One more than the fewest we could ever play. And the form in the last 10 still fell off a cliff. With 41 matches that was when we SHOULD have been taking teams to the cleaners.

Nuff said. It's not being rude to say you don't know what you're talking about.

Could he work in the PL? Probably only at City where he's could have the best players and enough of them too. For anyone else he'd get found out. After the first 10 games of his first season every manager had a blueprint of how to play against us.


This 100%.

My son called it was early as Nov first season. I held on till Nov 24 but at that point it looked obvious that he was out of his depth and every other manager had worked us out.

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The Forest stint is an unfair comparison.

I was Ange out and agree with every flaw you state, but he went to a counter attacking team (that only flirted with CL mind, they fell away and finished 7th) with no signings of his own and no preseason and tried to get them to play Angeball.

Yeah, he had a shocker but he was massively the wrong fit.

 

[Shadydan]

The Forest stint is an unfair comparison.

I was Ange out and agree with every flaw you state, but he went to a counter attacking team (that only flirted with CL mind, they fell away and finished 7th) with no signings of his own and none season and tried to get them to play Angeball.

Yeah, he had a shocker but he was massively the wrong fit.

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Introspection

TFC is finally maturing, tears in my eyes.

 

[8andA1/2Peppers]

You just know that if he sat tight and didn't jump in to the Forest job, he'd be getting linked to Man Utd. His reputation would be growing week by week with every Spurs defeat..

The narrative would be about how difficult a squad/club this is to manage, so he can't be judged on last seasons league campaign. And the injuries.. And look at the football he had them playing at times... And most importantly look at the trophy.. Time would've been very kind to him if he took a longer break.

You can just see in another world if he didn't take the Forest job the brain trust of Neville, Scholes and Butt saying that he fits the "Man Utd DNA" or whatever bollocks.