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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Shadydan said:
Our underlying numbers for one and the fact that our results when we had our back 5 fit put us in and around the top 4.

It's funny because I'm pretty sure you were arguing last season saying exactly this and you were a continuous advocate of of these points, I don't know why you're arguing the contrary now, weird.

The effort that these guys have put in this season and the fact that this manager somehow managed to be even more useless than Ange who btw has managed to produced the worst performances of any Premier League manager at Spurs and the worst PPG of any top 6 manager, factual. You could not find a worse manager if you tried.

We still had high points last season and some great performances and results under Ange City 0-4, Utd 0-3, Villa 4-1, West Ham 4-1...Frank never got anywhere close to these performances.

Ange was a crap tactician who didn't learn from his mistakes you say but if he didn't learn from his mistakes we wouldn't have won the EL so maybe he did learn ;), regardless of that he got his players playing for him - Frank on the other hand...
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I dont think I argued the back 5 point personally.

I did back the man for a while but our football for the last 10-12 games of last season was beyond pathetic, bar the Europa of course and I more than once called for him to be sacked.

Look at Frank's form in Europe against similar opposition.... not so bad either.

I saw nothing in our league form last year to suggest we would be any better this season ans considering we dont even have a fit defence, maddison or kulusevski, theres an argument to be made that we could be even worse off.
 
Phomesy said:
Well that's very true but the underlying metrics were still strong. Certainly much much stronger than they've been at any stage this year.

But I think you're missing my point - the overall quality of the squad has been constantly degraded over time. By the time we were losing to Ipswich belief was inevitably starting to wane. The first 10 games of the previous season had conned all of us into thinking our squad was waayyy better than it actually was/is.

Losing Kane was the straw breaking the camel's back. Signing Solanke and three teenagers was the window that led inexorably to us being in a relegation battle right now.

I don't know if Postecoglou is a "good" manager" but I'm pretty certain Thomas Frank is. At least he's "above average". There's a long body of work in the Premier League to show that.

Yet we're genuinely in a relegation battle. Obviously injuries are part of this but that is also a product of overall squad depth and I just think blaming managers is missing the root cause of the problem. That's why I don't "hate" Frank at all. Don't' even really blame him at all. It's just more fan cope. We keep wanting to believe that the "right manager" will sort us out. But it won't. Not unless we unearth another Kane or spend the wages required to get genuinely world class gamechangers in.

Conte was the last roll of the dice and we fucked it - and he let us know we'd fucked it. It's just some supporters have refused to listen (or taken the wrong lesson)
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Not gonna disagree, but none of that makes Ange a good prem manager.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Iriola and Maresca also lost to them last season. Bad managers?

A bit binary there mate. Not your usual standard.
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Fair point.

Youre right, its not binary, but it does speak to part of the larger point with everyone else we lost to, and we lost a lot.... Ange was not a good tactician, for whatever reason, in the prem.

He refused to play tactics that suited the team he was putting out and work on fixing glaring deficiencies in the way we were playing.

I backed the guy, I wanted him to succeed because I actually liked his general demeanour but the end of last season was the first time in my life where I did not care to watch us play, and big chunk of that was down to him.
 
dudu said:
I dont think I argued the back 5 point personally.

I did back the man for a while but our football for the last 10-12 games of last season was beyond pathetic, bar the Europa of course and I more than once called for him to be sacked.

Look at Frank's form in Europe against similar opposition.... not so bad either.

I saw nothing in our league form last year to suggest we would be any better this season ans considering we dont even have a fit defence, maddison or kulusevski, theres an argument to be made that we could be even worse off.
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You definitely made reference to the fact that our injuries were the reason we were struggling to maintain consistency on numerous occasions.

Also we have had a more fitter defence this year particularly VDV/Romero have pretty much been available throughout, only Udogie hasn't been around that much but Spence isn't really a huge drop off like he had last season abd certainty no Dragusin/Gray/Forster lining up, meanwhile whilst we've had no Maddidon/Kulu/Solanke he still would have been able to work with Kudus/Xavi and Rich for the main, he would have got far more out of them than Frank did.

I'd like to think that he probably would have reigned his gung ho tactics in a bit depending on opps due to how we won EL keeping us competitive in matches , who knows...we wouldn't be as strong on set pieces though so there's that.

I think the sensible take and the fair assumption here is that 5th first season, 17th 2nd season mid table 3rd most probably.

I think we all agreed in the end due to results he deserved to be sacked.
 
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dudu said:
Not gonna disagree, but none of that makes Ange a good prem manager.
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There's very few people on here arguing that Postecoglou was a "good prem manager". In fact that's exactly why I argue that he over-achieved in his time at Spurs.

To get a 5th place finish and win a European trophy with this squad, all the injuries, and his many obvious flaws? I think that's rather remarkable and I thank him for service and wish him all the best. 🤷‍♂️
 
Harrier said:
Maybe. Could have also been fellow Dane, Lange and Vinai pushing the appointment.
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And who hired Lange? Levy

I don't think Vinai, had any real input in to the decision to be honest. But we do know that Levy dumped a week after the transfer window.

He was probably more of an observer than anything, put their by the Levy kids to find out WTF was going on at the club. I am not saying this is 100% for sure, but that is my take on it and that they gave Levy enough rope to hang himself.
 
Phomesy said:
There's very few people on here arguing that Postecoglou was a "good prem manager". In fact that's exactly why I argue that he over-achieved in his time at Spurs.

To get a 5th place finish and win a European trophy with this squad, all the injuries, and his many obvious flaws? I think that's rather remarkable and I thank him for service and wish him all the best. 🤷‍♂️
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He did the club no harm and delivered the absolute best thing he was ever going to be capable of.

He's an interesting and unique figure, so it makes a degree of sense that people want to keep arguing about this, but there's just nothing in it. Tip our cap and move on.
 
AberdeenYid said:
This will go on for years. Just like injuries will be Ange’s fault until about 2037.
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Some of it can be meritable, like I think you can blame Scholar for plunging us into debt, and then Sugar for cementing us as mediocre through the Sky era, but by the Redknapp era we'd recovered from that. Yet being 10-15 years behind Woolwich/Liverpool/United had an effect

I don't think there's a lot of plausible blame in the modern era. Maybe Jose for nuking a decent culture at the club that he thought was "too nice".


My issue is that people are (intentionally or not) protecting all of the new board at the club by deflecting the blame pointlessly
 
Shadydan said:
You definitely made reference to the fact that our injuries were the reason we were struggling to maintain consistency on numerous occasions.

Also we have had a more fitter defence this year particularly VDV/Romero have pretty much been available throughout, only Udogie hasn't been around that much but Spence isn't really a huge drop off like he had last season abd certainty no Dragusin/Gray/Forster lining up, meanwhile whilst we've had no Maddidon/Kulu/Solanke he still would have been able to work with Kudus/Xavi and Rich for the main, he would have got far more out of them than Frank did.

I'd like to think that he probably would have reigned his gung ho tactics in a bit depending on opps due to how we won EL keeping us competitive in matches , who knows...we wouldn't be as strong on set pieces though so there's that.

I think the sensible take and the fair assumption here is that 5th first season, 17th 2nd season mid table 3rd most probably.

I think we all agreed in the end due to results he deserved to be sacked.
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Injuries did not help, sure. But he didnt alter how we played to mitigate.

Frank juat didnt have a clue full stop but he did have a brand new front line to work with for the most part, no Son (yes I know he lost his legs but still played a significant role early on in the season for Ange last year, and in the first season) and no Maddison or Kulusevki who also played significant roles for Ange in both seasons.

Injuries last season and this cancel.each other out. Of course they played a part, but even with our best defenders we were exposed constantly under Ange, constantly.

But I digress, its largely irrelevant as even if we would have been mid table this year and what, 6 points better off, it still would have been awful.
 
Phomesy said:
There's very few people on here arguing that Postecoglou was a "good prem manager". In fact that's exactly why I argue that he over-achieved in his time at Spurs.

To get a 5th place finish and win a European trophy with this squad, all the injuries, and his many obvious flaws? I think that's rather remarkable and I thank him for service and wish him all the best. 🤷‍♂️
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Me too, 5th was a good achievement (playing once a week the whole season) and I absolutely thabk him for the cup, but based on last season, i see us being in no better shape this with him in charge and everyone still calling for his head
 
Could any other manager have won us the Europa last season with the fixtures to the final….. yes .
Could any other manager( not Frank) have got us higher than 17th in the league….. yes

Ange is not a good manager
 
Starting to think with neville he dislikes tottenham. Went on a round of golf with kane trying to unsettle him, visits levy at our ground then allows ange to rant slagging us off. Ange was a shit manager gary. Like you was for valencia.
 
I see the Government is delaying the increase to the National Minimum Wage for under 21's. PLEASE don't try to tell me that it's not Postecoglou's fault, because it clearly is.
 
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