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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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You loved ENIC til they ousted Daniel
You used to complain about that too mate.
You just don't get it do you.
The reason BJ thrived under Ange was that he had belief and trusted him in his system.
I'm not arguing whether BJ was a good player or not, I'm saying that Ange knew how to get the best out of him.
Where to play, when to run in etc etc.
You can't deny how many goals he scored for us last season. This season he's hardly got a look in.
And now he's at Palace and has scored 2 goals and provided 1 assist.
Well holy guacamole, maybe it was the coaching that let him score all those goals for us!
Don't feel compelled to join in a conversation over whether someone improved as a player then.
We're talking about whether Ange was a good manager, not about BJ.
What are you talking about he hasn't scored any goals for Palace.
It was a fluke season by a poor player. He's never got close to those numbers before and he won't ever again.
Football is littered with players that have done the same thing.
Ange knew the best to get out of him in a season where we were utter dogshit. Maybe if he had focused less on that he wouldn't of been sacked.
Who the fuck cares? Who else improved? Who else under Ange’s tutelage can we look and say they’ve developed as a player?
Johnson scored or assisted 11 league goals in his final season at forest. We spent like 40 million on him. Two years later Ange got him to score or assist 14 and we are meant to view this as some sort of example of great coaching.
Did he develop as a footballer? Did he improve? Aside from scoring a few more tap ins against Southampton & co, what are we meant to be applauding here?
No we're not.
ESPN says he has 2 goals and 1 assist at Palace.
In his first season here, he had 5 goals and 10 assists.
2nd season 11 goals and 3 assists.
For such a poor player, Ange certainly new how to get the best out of him.
Now we're looking at whether a manager improved a player.
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No they don' they say he has 2 goals this season.
Which we're for us against Burnley and Man City.
I repeat again you don't know what you are talking about.
The way your initial post read was that 50 g/a was a regular occurrence. It just isn’t. And coming up with one player who got close doesn’t cement your initial argument. Just be wrong. Fuck, I’ve typed the phrase “I was wrong” so often on this forum that I have a keyboard shortcut for it.
As for progression and improvement, aye BJ hasn’t done either long term. He had a good season in a collection of shite elsewhere in the side. Maybe made him standout all the more. Yes, he was crap at everything else except scoring. But he improved last season. And became shite again. Progression to regression. No idea if it was due to Ange or not, but coincidental at least.
Well however it read, I'm clarifying for you now that, compared to some actual impressive G/A statistics that you see amongst actual good players, BJ's haul last season is hardly worth crowing about.
Amidst the shit and biased refereeing this season, I just missed Big Ange giving some sticks to them in his pressers when our club is so sorely lacking in protecting the squad. Ange haters will just say Ange was a sore loser and he's deflecting and finding excuses. Just fuck off ok.
Big Ange was the only one fronting and protecting the club all along. Perhaps based on how cowardly our club is, they probably just couldn't stand Ange in being so confrontational and not being a yes-man.
Big Ange was the only one fronting and protecting the club all along. Perhaps based on how cowardly our club is, they probably just couldn't stand Ange in being so confrontational and not being a yes-man.
Imagine those senseless and illogical Ange-haters and derangers keep harping on 17th last season. Now we are 18th! But I guess they will say 22 losses last season was a disgrace, even if it meant we are relegated with 21 losses. Lol.
Take away Maddison, Kulu and Son and you think we won’t finish a single place lower in the league this season lol? When the relegation battle is against West Ham & Forest, not Ipswich and Leicester?
Ok bro.
I ignore this thread when I see it often bumped to the top because I want to move on from him. I'm not reading the comments up to this point to understand the general feeling towards Ange either, but just want to post my thoughts.
This guy made losing normal and acceptable for us. That's a horrific thing to do in sport.
Expect he would blame it all on that City game.
I largely blame Ange for where we are now.
This guy made losing normal and acceptable for us. That's a horrific thing to do in sport.
Expect he would blame it all on that City game.
I largely blame Ange for where we are now.
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They never remembered that the key thing in football is WINS not LOSSES. We had 14 LOSSES under Conte with prime Kane and Son. But we also had 18 WINS which is how we scraped to 8th that season.
When you replace a manager who values WINS and, therefore, GOALS, for a pragmatic manager who values SAFETY above RISK you compromise on goals and wins for draws and (hopefully) less LOSSES.
As it turns out we've had much less WINS, almost as many LOSSES. Fuck all points. And look like getting relegated.
They were warned but didn't listen. Maybe they will next time?