Manager Antonio Conte

[Michaelspurs]

Conte has never been a cup coach. He's also never done well managing multiple competitions.

He's suited for a club who has 22 excellent players fully suited to his system, so he can win on all fronts. He is a marathon coach, but not a coach who can string together 10 wins in a row in a competition to do well.

Spurs are not at the level to be competing for EPL honours right now. Worse yet, we don't have sufficient squad depth for a true cup, CL, and EPL run. We need a manager who can focus on one, but still manage the others (top 4, a healthy run in the CL).

Conte isn't it.

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Sorry I don’t agree. If Woolwich are capable of challenging for the Prem so should we be. Especially in a season where several of the money teams like Chelscum and Liverponse are in transition. I don’t think City are that special this year either and that leaves Arse - by default - as the main contender and without Conte’s intransigent tactics it could have been us

 

[Go on son]

My unpopular opinion is to give Conte another season if we make top 4.

I don't think we'll be bringing anyone in better than him, and I remember before his arrival we're absolute dog shit, playing games in the fucking conference league.

I remember last season, anyone who said that we had a chance at top 4 would completely get battered, but in the end he brought us there.

This squad isn't has strong as some people think, and when he says he needs time, he actually needs time. I say let's give him the time, or at least another season.

Honestly, I don't think any other manager that is linked to us would have us in the position we're in today. That fucking loss vs Sheffield fucking hurt, but I still think he's our best bet at a trophy.

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My problem with that is. Why get top 4? To go meekly out because conte cant manage 2 games a week and still earn 15 mil a year?
To go meekly out of cups?

 

[stevee]

We have a significantly better squad than when he arrived. We've lost no-one worth crying over and since signed:

Porro
Sarr, Bissouma, Bentancur
Kulusevski, Richy
+ Romero is now properly integrated.
+ Gil, Spence & Udogie to get your teeth into if you're so inclined during pre-season.

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And a decent back up keeper......

.... but he wasn't backed by Levy.

 

[Matt1882]

My unpopular opinion is to give Conte another season if we make top 4.

I don't think we'll be bringing anyone in better than him, and I remember before his arrival we're absolute dog shit, playing games in the fucking conference league.

I remember last season, anyone who said that we had a chance at top 4 would completely get battered, but in the end he brought us there.

This squad isn't has strong as some people think, and when he says he needs time, he actually needs time. I say let's give him the time, or at least another season.

Honestly, I don't think any other manager that is linked to us would have us in the position we're in today. That fucking loss vs Sheffield fucking hurt, but I still think he's our best bet at a trophy.

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He doesn't want to be here. he refuses to use the players we give him.
Can't carry on.

 

[Château NoHo]

 

[jack sparrow]

My unpopular opinion is to give Conte another season if we make top 4.

I don't think we'll be bringing anyone in better than him, and I remember before his arrival we were absolute dog shit, playing games in the fucking conference league.

I remember last season, anyone who said that we had a chance at top 4 would completely get battered, but in the end he brought us there.

This squad isn't has strong as some people think, and when he says he needs time, he actually needs time. I say let's give him the time, or at least another season.

Honestly, I don't think any other manager that is linked to us would have us in the position we're in today. That fucking loss vs Sheffield fucking hurt, but I still think he's our best bet at a trophy.

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many have resigned themselves.
the important thing has become to watch beautiful football

 

[Deuterz]

Honestly, I don't think any other manager that is linked to us would have us in the position we're in today. That fucking loss vs Sheffield fucking hurt, but I still think he's our best bet at a trophy.

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I mean fair enough but why? He's sent us out early of every cup we've been in under him. Lost to Mura, lost to Sheffield, lost to Middlesbrough, lost to Forest, and then lost in the first round to a very poor Milan team.

We're not winning the league under Conte, we all agree on this right? And so far his record in every other competition has been objectively awful. So I don't get where the 'our best bet at a trophy' sentiment comes from, I can see an argument for our best best at staying in/around top 4 but winning something? No.

 

[The Dealer]

My problem with that is. Why get top 4? To go meekly out because conte cant manage 2 games a week and still earn 15 mil a year?
To go meekly out of cups?

And a decent back up keeper......

.... but he wasn't backed by Levy.

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There's backing and backing.

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[The Dealer]

I mean fair enough but why? He's sent us out early of every cup we've been in under him. Lost to Mura, lost to Sheffield, lost to Middlesbrough, lost to Forest, and then lost in the first round to a very poor Milan team.

We're not winning the league under Conte, we all agree on this right? And so far his record in every other competition has been objectively awful. So I don't get where the 'our best bet at a trophy' sentiment comes from, I can see an argument for our best best at staying in/around top 4 but winning something? No.

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We need to build a trophy winning team and squad. That's why Conte asks for time and patience.

 

[Deuterz]

We need to build a trophy winning team and squad. That's why Conte asks for time and patience.

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We need a trophy winning team and squad to beat championship teams in the FA cup?

We’ve massively underwhelmed in the cups. Conte doesn’t seem all that bothered by them, regardless of how good or bad we are.

Plus, Conte doesn’t want to sign a contract by all accounts so ‘time and patience’ … erm where?

 

[The Dealer]

We need a trophy winning team and squad to beat championship teams in the FA cup?

We’ve massively underwhelmed in the cups. Conte doesn’t seem all that bothered by them, regardless of how good or bad we are.

Plus, Conte doesn’t want to sign a contract by all accounts so ‘time and patience’ … erm where?

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We reached the League Cup final and semi in the previous 2 seasons losing to City and Chelsea respectively. That's not massively underwhelming.

 

[The Dealer]

We need a trophy winning team and squad to beat championship teams in the FA cup?

We’ve massively underwhelmed in the cups. Conte doesn’t seem all that bothered by them, regardless of how good or bad we are.

Plus, Conte doesn’t want to sign a contract by all accounts so ‘time and patience’ … erm where?

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We reached the League Cup final and semi in the previous 2 seasons losing to City and Chelsea respectively. That's not massively underwhelming

We need a trophy winning team and squad to beat championship teams in the FA cup?

We’ve massively underwhelmed in the cups. Conte doesn’t seem all that bothered by them, regardless of how good or bad we are.

Plus, Conte doesn’t want to sign a contract by all accounts so ‘time and patience’ … erm where?

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Time and patience with the Enic model is required irrespective of which manager.

Yes we lost to Sheffield fielding a weak team in an intense period of games. That's hardly evidence of Spurs not needing or using a deep squad if we had one.

 

[Doom Funk]

Time and patience with the Enic model is required irrespective of which manager.

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Yep

They need another 21 years at least before they can be fairly judged

 

[The Dealer]

Yep

They need another 21 years at least before they can be fairly judged

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That's not true either. Stadium revenue will accelerate funds unlike years previous.

 

[Airfixx]

We reached the League Cup final and semi in the previous 2 seasons losing to City and Chelsea respectively. That's not massively underwhelming.

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What has Jose getting us to a LC final got to do with Conte?

Conte's cup record at Spurs:

21/22:
Mura (A) - L
WHam (H) - W
Chelsea (A) - L
Morcambe (H) - W
Chelsea (H) - L
Brighton (H) - W
MIddlesborough (A) - L

22/23:
Marsielle (H) - W
S.Lisbon (A) - L
E.Frankfurt (A) - D
E.Frankfurt (H) - W
S.Lisbon (H) - D
Marsielle (A) - W
N.Forest (A) - L
Portsmouth (H) - W
P.NorthEnd (A) - W
ACMilan (A) - L
SheffUtd (A) - L
ACMilan (H) - D

(Prem or CL wins in bold)
(Banter losses in gooner red)

 

[The Dealer]

What has Jose getting us to a LC final got to do with Conte?

Conte's cup record at Spurs:

21/22:
Mura (A) - L
WHam (H) - W
Chelsea (A) - L
Morcambe (H) - W
Chelsea (H) - L
Brighton (H) - W
MIddlesborough (A) - L

22/23:
Marsielle (H) - W
S.Lisbon (A) - L
E.Frankfurt (A) - D
E.Frankfurt (H) - W
S.Lisbon (H) - D
Marsielle (A) - W
N.Forest (A) - L
Portsmouth (H) - W
P.NorthEnd (A) - W
ACMilan (A) - L
SheffUtd (A) - L
ACMilan (H) - D

(Prem or CL wins in bold)
(Banter losses in gooner red)

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The conversation was about time and patience in building a squad good and deep enough to compete in and win trophies. Conte has been here 16 or so months and not particularly well backed.
We have done quite well in some cups in recent years but been unlucky. It's not like the players and coaches haven't tried.
Enic is not prepared to go that one step more and provide the quality and quantity we need to challenge on all fronts. Even if they did its no guarantee.

 

[Deuterz]

The conversation was about time and patience in building a squad good and deep enough to compete in and win trophies. Conte has been here 16 or so months and not particularly well backed.
We have done quite well in some cups in recent years but been unlucky. It's not like the players and coaches haven't tried.
Enic is not prepared to go that one step more and provide the quality and quantity we need to challenge on all fronts. Even if they did its no guarantee.

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I'm about as anti ENIC as they come (maybe second only to Johnny boy) but Conte has had enough backing to deliver more in cups. Our exits have been embarrassing. He got around 110m net to spend in the summer and Bentancur, Kulu, Danjuma & Porro in the Jan windows.

We've just been shit in the cups. Clearly he's prioritised the leagues and that's where historically his strengths as a coach lie, but there's no excuse for going out to the teams we've gone out to. We haven't even come close to winning a trophy under Conte.

 

[Airfixx]

The conversation was about time and patience in building a squad good and deep enough to compete in and win trophies. Conte has been here 16 or so months and not particularly well backed.
We have done quite well in some cups in recent years but been unlucky. It's not like the players and coaches haven't tried.
Enic is not prepared to go that one step more and provide the quality and quantity we need to challenge on all fronts. Even if they did its no guarantee.

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4/5 of the cup exits have been against lower level clubs where quality of squad is not a credible excuse.

Mura (effectively what knocked us out)
2 x champo teams (1 of which was their bonafide B-team too!)
A Forest team that was bottom and an utter clusterfuck of 20-ish new players.

 

[The Dealer]

I'm about as anti ENIC as they come (maybe second only to Johnny boy) but Conte has had enough backing to deliver more in cups. Our exits have been embarrassing. He got around 110m net to spend in the summer and Bentancur, Kulu, Danjuma & Porro in the Jan windows.

We've just been shit in the cups. Clearly he's prioritised the leagues and that's where historically his strengths as a coach lie, but there's no excuse for going out to the teams we've gone out to. We haven't even come close to winning a trophy under Conte.

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I was disappointed at our exit in the CL although it was one scrambled goal and some poor finishing on our part. The other two to be honest I'm not too bothered. I'd rather finish top 4.

 

[Deuterz]

I was disappointed at our exit in the CL although it was one scrambled goal and some poor finishing on our part. The other two to be honest I'm not too bothered. I'd rather finish top 4.

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That's fine. Not my cup of tea but hey ho, you do you as a fan.

But my original post was a response to someone saying Conte is our best shot at a cup. Considering how we've done in said cups, I don't see how that's true. Again, maybe he is our best chance at staying in the top 4, but winning something? Not really getting that, we've looked further away from actually winning anything than ever under Conte.