As long as we can all agree that 2 = 2.
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Manager Antonio Conte
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I was responding toChâteau NoHo comment thought that was clear.
Of course; you were agreeing with a post that made allusions to OTHER posters.
Considering I'm one fo the few voices on this subject over the last few pages.... Which other posts (posters) did you have in mind then?
Who's "hiding behind the system"?
Southampton's 4-4-2 is very narrow. The two midfielders drop deep and the wide players drop in to the midfield, meaning there's next to zero space for the opposition. What is on paper a traditional 4-4-2 still leads to an incredibly packed midfield with no space to operate. Our front 3 do not drop in to midfield the way Southampton's 2 wide players do.
But yes, both JWP and Romeu fundamentally do their jobs better than ours do. But that's part of the issue, going against a side who pack that area out with two not good enough midfielders? Dodgy to say the least..
Well, yes. But Matic at Chelsea was a very good midfielder, and would walk in to our team now with his eyes closed.
All fair points I think we’ve got a shocking midfield. No arguments there. And we did concede way to many chances. But we conceded 3 shit goals based on basic defensive mistakes
Kovacic has been fantastic for them as well.
He'll get it sorted out but man what a disappointing performance. I do think it's more about the players than the system but we really need some extra help gaining a hold of the midfield. Unfortunately, we are forward-heavy and light in midfield. You don't have to dominate possession but it is tough to win when you get so thoroughly dominated and your defense is getting peppered. It was my main complaint under Mourinho. You CAN win games playing this way but I think it's difficult to win consistently and you'll let lesser teams build confidence. Tough to say to drop Lucas when he created both our goals. Maybe Betancur and Skipp will be better but this is definitely our biggest area for improvement right now.
Good to know people now see that it's not the managers fault but the players. Even Pep would have a difficult time managing this team! And Levy wouldn't support a rebuilding so it's a no win situation for any Spurs manager!
Numbering the formation means little. Armstrong played predominantly toward the middle of the field, as did Elyounoussi(him not quite so much). They made the middle of the field very congested and Winks/Hojbjerg were completely outnumbered in the first half. Edit: I'm not arguing that either played well, or are blameless.
I’ll have to rewatch the match with (less stress) to reconfirm my real-time/initial assessment.
In general, I’m of the opinion that Spurs should be able to match whatever formation the So’ton, Burnleys, Watfords of the league put out against us at our grounds and grind out a result, because man to man, we’re the better team.
This was a devastating result, mostly b/c we were completely played off the park, and the ease with which we capitulated after Broja rolled around for about 5 minutes after our second, and Conte had plenty of time to reconsider his Kulu>>>Lucas sub.
Was reading a review of the season on Statsbomb and at contained this analysis comparison of our metrics under Nuno (blue) and Conte (red):
what a fucking moron. the reason we lost is because he took PEH off and it should of been winks.
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I can't remember how long I have been looking at our team and thinking "2 quality forwards, the keeper is pretty good and the rest is a bit meh." Until we make changes to the largely "meh" starting XI, it doesn't matter who the manager is, frankly.
We do know that we have a manager who makes title winning sides when given quality players to work with. Nobody is going to win titles with Winks, Hojbjerg, Emerson, Davies, Sanchez and Lucas regularly in the starting XI. You could carry maybe 2 players of that level in a title winning team, but not 6.
We do know that we have a manager who makes title winning sides when given quality players to work with. Nobody is going to win titles with Winks, Hojbjerg, Emerson, Davies, Sanchez and Lucas regularly in the starting XI. You could carry maybe 2 players of that level in a title winning team, but not 6.
We had bad displays by a number of players.
But Conte fecked up, too.
We seem to be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with our formation and tactics.
3 at the back requires
- Top class full backs, with speed and crossing ability.
- Centre backs comfortable on the ball with a long range of passing.
Reggie and Royal are woeful in the attacking 3rd and none of our centre backs are good passers of the ball.
3 at the back requires
- Top class full backs, with speed and crossing ability.
- Centre backs comfortable on the ball with a long range of passing.
Reggie and Royal are woeful in the attacking 3rd and none of our centre backs are good passers of the ball.
Was reading a review of the season on Statsbomb and at contained this analysis comparison of our metrics under Nuno (blue) and Conte (red):
Jeez... what's the variance in the Aggression quotient?
Also,
Nuno named Manager of the Month for August
Nuno Espirito Santo has been named the Premier League’s Barclays Manager of the Month for August.
www.tottenhamhotspur.com
Agree, same with our midfield. It simply isn’t good enough to play 3-4-3 where both midfielders need to be good at basically everything (ie work rate, passing, technique, composure, defensive awareness).
Winks and PEH are pretty much average to poor at all of these things, which is why we should be playing a 3-5-2 imo.