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Manager Antonio Conte

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Interesting point raised by Ally Gold today

When Conte has had a full week between games, he hasn't lost and has only drawn one of them.
Checking out that stat

Beat Vitesse
Drew Everton 3 days later
Beat Leeds 14 days later
Lost
to Mura 4 days later
Beat Brentford 7 days later
Beat Norwich 3 days later
Drew Liverpool 14 days later
Beat West Ham 3 days later
Beat Palace 4 days later
Drew Southampton 2 days later (fuck that, we won that game!)
Beat Watford 3 days later
Lost to Chelsea 4 days later
Beat Morcombe 4 days later
Lost to Chelsea 3 days later
Beat Leicester 7 days later
Lost
to Chelsea 4 days later
Beat Brighton 13 days later
Lost
to Southampton 4 days later
Lost to Wolves 4 days later
Beat City 6 days later
Lost
to Burnley 4 days later
Beat Leeds 3 days later

So there is absolutely a corellation.
All of our losses without exception, have come after a short gap between fixtures.
And we are unbeaten when there is 5+ days between fixtures.
We do seem able to win games when the gap is less than 5 days but the win ratio is much lower.

In my opinion Conte just needs to work with the team. It is the first time that he has taken on a team once the season has begun. Yesterday for the first time I felt he was partially satisfied with his performance and above all with how the team is learning his style. If he stays (as I think and hope) for the next season we will see an important qualitative leap: additions of other players and work on his mentality. It is his trademark
 
Our fans suddenly seem to have a weird obsessive irrational dislike towards him because he has spoken some uncomfortable truths that many of them don't want to hear about the transfer policy and lack of success at the club over the last 20 years.

They consider it moaning when actually, I think it's part of the process to create change.

Conte, unlike managers before him at our club, doesn't want to just accept mediocrity, he wants to change the clubs mentality, all the way from the top to the bottom, he is playing mind games but in a way that will induce change for the better imo.

Some people don't like that he isn't a yes man, makes them uncomfortable apparently.

Honestly it makes me wonder sometimes about our fanbase, hearing people say they would take Potter over Conte or have Poch back when Conte hasn't even had a full season or a full transfer window?

Just makes me think that some of our supporters are actually afraid of success.
I love Conte. I despise ENIC. So anyone who is prepared to stick their fingers up and make life uncomfortable for them in an attempt to try to improve our team is a winner in my books.

I just find it strange that he seems to bring up how hard the job in every other interview (or seemingly so). Whether that's just the media recycling stories or if they're jumping onto his words and moulding them to fit their narrative, I don't know.

I guess that by repeating that criticism he's not giving Levy breathing room. It's a constant reminder that poor performances are due to having a poor squad, thanks to criminal underinvestment on the pitch. Hopefully this'll bring change in the summer.
 
I love Conte. I despise ENIC. So anyone who is prepared to stick their fingers up and make life uncomfortable for them in an attempt to try to improve our team is a winner in my books.

I just find it strange that he seems to bring up how hard the job in every other interview (or seemingly so). Whether that's just the media recycling stories or if they're jumping onto his words and moulding them to fit their narrative, I don't know.

I guess that by repeating that criticism he's not giving Levy breathing room. It's a constant reminder that poor performances are due to having a poor squad, thanks to criminal underinvestment on the pitch. Hopefully this'll bring change in the summer.

See your point.

I think it could also be an element of simply someone telling the truth for once.
 

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In my opinion Conte just needs to work with the team. It is the first time that he has taken on a team once the season has begun. Yesterday for the first time I felt he was partially satisfied with his performance and above all with how the team is learning his style. If he stays (as I think and hope) for the next season we will see an important qualitative leap: additions of other players and work on his mentality. It is his trademark

He's had similar problems at most of his clubs though. He won the league at Chelsea with no Europe. When they had CL they faltered badly.
He won the league with Inter having hone out of the CL at the group stage - finished bottom of the group with 1 win. Only lost 3 league games all season but 2 were a few days after their previous league game.

This is probably my only concern with Conte - why does this pattern emerge wherever he goes, that shows his teams struggle with games in quick successions.
 
Now that we are down to one game a week, I hope that he can start working on a pressing system. Since that is something that we seem to lack still.

It doesn't have to be Poch's super aggressive press or the gegenpress of Klopp. But we need some form of pressing system to really compete consistently. Specific triggers to start it off of (heavy first touch from the opponent), specific zones where we press more than others, channels that we try to press the ball out to and so on.

With Conte's football being built at its core on rapid transition offence, I think that it would make sense to have a system where you try to force the ball out wide and to force the opponent to play it long, cut off all short passing channels, that way you can force them to play it long and win the ball back from that and start the attack. Niko Kovac and Marcelino have good pressing systems that work like that for comparisons sake.
 
Instead of whinging about things, he should realise that getting us to win a trophy will arguably be his greatest accomplishment yet as a manager. Doesn't matter if it takes a few years. Klopp didn't turn Liverpool into world-beaters overnight, and he also wasn't handed insane amounts of money without first selling.
 
He's had similar problems at most of his clubs though. He won the league at Chelsea with no Europe. When they had CL they faltered badly.
He won the league with Inter having hone out of the CL at the group stage - finished bottom of the group with 1 win. Only lost 3 league games all season but 2 were a few days after their previous league game.

This is probably my only concern with Conte - why does this pattern emerge wherever he goes, that shows his teams struggle with games in quick successions.
It is true, however, that he has always taken teams to rebuild or in any case to give his mark: Juventus, Chelsea, Inter took them at a time when they weren't even fighting for the championship. Guardiola took Bayern Munich in the Triplete. He has spent mountains of money but does not win the CL from Messi-Xavi-Iniesta's Barcelona: perhaps he will win this year but 10 years have passed and despite having had battleships no one tells him that he is not a winner in CL. The Juventus that Conte took came from a seventh place, with few grafts and some purges created a war machine but did not have the players he wanted for the next step. There are some coaches who are excused for everything, infinite credit. Others like him who travel on the grill, even of the press.
 
Ha ha the virgins on here hanging on every word looking for hidden meaning. As for critiquing his English skills? That’s the weakest of arguments.

If you let him do his job and get him what he wants he will turn this ship around.

Of course he will get neither time nor players so….

Yeah it's so weird - there's one or two characters on here who just can't help themselves, trying to find the slighest offence in anything Conte says.

Bizarre behaviour.

He says things how they are - that's it. It is not whinging, it is being honest. Some posters here need to wind their fucking necks in and stop shitting their pants every time he speaks.
 
Instead of whinging about things, he should realise that getting us to win a trophy will arguably be his greatest accomplishment yet as a manager. Doesn't matter if it takes a few years. Klopp didn't turn Liverpool into world-beaters overnight, and he also wasn't handed insane amounts of money without first selling.
Our fanbase weirdly won’t allow us to sell first though. The outcry of the potential sale and reinvestment of Son shows that. Levy knows that
 
Our fans suddenly seem to have a weird obsessive irrational dislike towards him because he has spoken some uncomfortable truths that many of them don't want to hear about the transfer policy and lack of success at the club over the last 20 years.

They consider it moaning when actually, I think it's part of the process to create change.

Conte, unlike managers before him at our club, doesn't want to just accept mediocrity, he wants to change the clubs mentality, all the way from the top to the bottom, he is playing mind games but in a way that will induce change for the better imo.

Some people don't like that he isn't a yes man, makes them uncomfortable apparently.

Honestly it makes me wonder sometimes about our fanbase, hearing people say they would take Potter over Conte or have Poch back when Conte hasn't even had a full season or a full transfer window?

Just makes me think that some of our supporters are actually afraid of success.

The ones you refer to are not fans. They're pathetic, and I'm bored of it.
 
Now that we are down to one game a week, I hope that he can start working on a pressing system. Since that is something that we seem to lack still.

It doesn't have to be Poch's super aggressive press or the gegenpress of Klopp. But we need some form of pressing system to really compete consistently. Specific triggers to start it off of (heavy first touch from the opponent), specific zones where we press more than others, channels that we try to press the ball out to and so on.

With Conte's football being built at its core on rapid transition offence, I think that it would make sense to have a system where you try to force the ball out wide and to force the opponent to play it long, cut off all short passing channels, that way you can force them to play it long and win the ball back from that and start the attack. Niko Kovac and Marcelino have good pressing systems that work like that for comparisons sake.

If we force teams to go long then invariably, those teams will have bodies behind the ball when the long ball is played. We'll win it back than try to pass through them and probably struggle to carve out chances.
If we entice opposition teams into our half then they push up and we have space to attack. I'm starting to see it at the moment, the stupid looking dicey football around our own box - it's a ploy to try and get the opposition to push up and press us.
It's a massive gamble, but it's really worked very, very well against a lot of teams that traditionally we struggle to break down with possession.
 
We will have 2 games a week a couple of times, after Utd we play Brighton away on Wednesday and we still need the Woolwich game to be re-scheduled (which for some reason hasn't been)
That Woolwich game is going to be huge. They’ve picked up form recently and are definitely our biggest threat of top four.

Can’t wait for it.
 
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