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Manager Antonio Conte

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What I am struggling to understand is why when we were trying to build up play through the middle of the pitch last night , you could throw a hat over Son, Kane and Moura who were occupying the central defenders and couldn't receive the ball to feet, then the ball goes out wide but by the time the cross comes in none of Son, Kane and Moura are in and around the penalty spot to receive it.
 
stevee said:
Conte's plan;

Sit back, sit back, sit, back, oh bollocks we're a goal down, start attacking.

That's it in a nut shell.
It's no surprise that in the CL this gets exposed more.
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Becuase dominating the ball and being press resistant through Dier, Sanchez and Royal is something my friends son's under 11 manager could whip up no issue. Just that small order of getting Kane and Son to press for 90 minutes. Ohh and once we do get to the opposition's box we'll thread some pretty little triangles with moura, Emerson and Hojberg??
 
TheSpurEst said:
Well this actually comes without any irony or sarcasm - I am honestly happy that you enjoy what you are seeing and how we played last night. Tastes are different and preferences as well. So there is something for everyone.

But when you ask "did I miss all top quality chances" then - yea... I did. Cause pretty much all the chances came from crosses (and somehow landed on Diers head). I don't recall any good shooting positions created from the middle of the pitch with accurate and cleaver passing. I felt that we absolutely lacked players who could sprint or dribble past Sporting players. And I felt that in attack no player knew where other is, cause passes (even if categorized "accurate") were like meter behind, in front or on the side of player receiving it.

And it all ended with us not getting a win. We are on a run of 2 defeats and 1 draw. These are not results I am satisfied with. I feel that we badly lack on-the-ball ability.
It is all nice to point out how many goals we have scored over season. It is nice remembering the two games where we scored 6 and 4 goals, it pushes up averages for long time more. Ignoring the fact that we have scored 1 goal in 360 minutes from open play.
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Quote where I said I'm happy or satisfied with how we are playing.

Once again you are trying to move the goal posts and it's a very transparent ploy of yours to deflect from your original post ;

TheSpurEst said:
I get your point but if you watch those clips side-by-side you see that it is not quite at the same pace.
No one in the Chelsea clip took even half of the time on the ball that Hjojberg needed for example.
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We were discussing a one off clip of the Chavs, which you have now changed to a broader subject.
(See my reply to skywalker68 )

I'm still waiting for other clips of Chelsea moving the ball quickly from back to front, and maybe even scoring.

Now, you can either provide more examples of Chelsea doing that time and again or you can concede that every team, in isolation, has clips like that and that your argument was disingenuous.

The other option is to continue to deflect and move the goal posts.
 
stevee said:
I agree pretty much


The point is though, that every team will have a move like that in their games.
But let's be honest, they are few and far between for every team, so for anyone to take one clip to beat up our team is not only unfair but also disingenuous.

We have players that can, and do, play good football at times with scintillating moves.
They just need the shackles removed.
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I think part of the issue here is balanced football.
Like I said sometimes go long is fine, but the players need to also express themselves, and that is being stifled at the moment imo.
 
CarrieFi said:
His teams struggle to play 2 games a week. I can’t remember where that bit of info came from, but Conte’s teams always do better when they’ve had a week in between to prepare
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This is why I'm still annoyed about 16/17. If that dickhead Mourinho at least got them to european places the season before, we would've won the league.
 
stevee said:
Quote where I said I'm happy or satisfied with how we are playing.

Once again you are trying to move the goal posts and it's a very transparent ploy of yours to deflect from your original post ;



We were discussing a one off clip of the Chavs, which you have now changed to a broader subject.
(See my reply to skywalker68 )

I'm still waiting for other clips of Chelsea moving the ball quickly from back to front, and maybe even scoring.

Now, you can either provide more examples of Chelsea doing that time and again or you can concede that every team, in isolation, has clips like that and that your argument was disingenuous.

The other option is to continue to deflect and move the goal posts.
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The chavs have been the homestead of Jose/Conte/Tuchel for the bulk of their petro-enabled era...... One sniff of a slick move that nearly lead to a goal under Potter and they've suddenly waved under our nose as the better way to be.............?

I'm happy to be left at the proverbial station when that 'train' leaves town, thanks.
 
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This season really does feel like the first half of the 20/21 season under Mourinho. Started ok with results but performances generally werent special. Then the results started to slide to match the performances. Both show a real stubborn streak , inflexability and a reluctance to try new players. Both have no faith in younger, untested players to freshen things up. Both boring as hell to watch with no apparent gameplan other than keep it tight and nick a goal through Kane or Son.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
This season really does feel like the first half of the 20/21 season under Mourinho. Started ok with results but performances generally werent special. Then the results started to slide to match the performances. Both show a real stubborn streak , inflexability and a reluctance to try new players. Both have no faith in younger, untested players to freshen things up. Both boring as hell to watch with no apparent gameplan other than keep it tight and nick a goal through Kane or Son.
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I don't think that was true of Jose..... He played a different back line every damn week.... Threw all sorts of shit at the wall but couldn't get any of it to stick........

3/4/5 at the back..... Double wing back.... Wonky/Flat formation...... Lucas as CAM.... Ndombele as some kind of false striker.....

As for Conte..... It's only really Spence...... Sarr is just unlucky to be so far down the pecking order as MF is not really a trouble area.
 
stevee said:
Show me another clip of Chelsea playing a move like that this season.

I did watch the game, did you miss all the top quality chances we created ?

Here's some fun facts from last night;
18 shots
59% possession
And 84% pass completion.

Here's some more ;
3rd highest scorers in the league. (More than Chavs)
5th highest completed passes.
5th highest shots on goal (more than Chavs)

But yeah, we don't create chances.



Fun fact from the Chavs clip that you are creaming yourself over ;

They didn't score either
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You add some good balance but I think this underlines why stats are secondary to the eye test in football. We just need to hang until Kulu returns, hopefully we add some energy via Skipp, Gill etc too and phase out the shameless Royal, Lucas, Sanchez etc
 
Airfixx said:
I don't think that was true of Jose..... He played a different back line every damn week.... Threw all sorts of shit at the wall but couldn't get any of it to stick........

3/4/5 at the back..... Double wing back.... Wonky/Flat formation...... Lucas as CAM.... Ndombele as some kind of false striker.....

As for Conte..... It's only really Spence...... Sarr is just unlucky to be so far down the pecking order as MF is not really a trouble area.
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He was very reluctant with Rodon, in a similar way as Conte is with Spence. Mourinho at least gave him a few games though but both trying to prove a childish point. He might have shuffled the players more than Conte but it was very much sit on the edge of our 18 yd box and break at pace and we quite often ended up conceding a late goal because of our passive approach. I hope it has a different outcome but the longer this goes on i'm struggling to see it. This is where the world cup might do us and Conte a massive favour. Regroup and spend in January.
 
As I said in the Sporting thread:

I don't have much of if any issue with Conte setting us up to play with a defensive and counter attacking style. My issue lies in the lack of intensity and aggression shown on the pitch.

A team that is aggressive in defence and gives no quarter combined with rapid attacks can be very entertaining. That's close to what we produced last spring. We just need to find that consistent level of intensity and be brave in our defending.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
He was very reluctant with Rodon, in a similar way as Conte is with Spence. Mourinho at least gave him a few games though but both trying to prove a childish point.
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Nah, I just don't buy this.....

No-one gave Rodon much of a crack.... They weren't all trying to prove a point.

Conte will play Spence when he's good and ready.

Sir Archibald Crooks said:
He might have shuffled the players more than Conte but it was very much sit on the edge of our 18 yd box and break at pace and we quite often ended up conceding a late goal because of our passive approach. I hope it has a different outcome but the longer this goes on i'm struggling to see it.
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I hadn't sought to contradict you about style of play; but I don't think ultimately that Jose-ball & Conte ball are one and the same.

Sir Archibald Crooks said:
This is where the world cup might do us and Conte a massive favour.
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I'd hope so too. There's only so many staying behind though.

Forster, Doherty, Spence, Lengelt (?), Skipp, Bissouma, Gil, Lucas, Sess, Kulu, Japh, White..... That's it I think

Relatively early exits for Sarr, Davies, PEH, Son.....???

It's an absolute gift for the lower half teams with few internationals in their ranks though...... 2-fold; in terms of the rest and extra coaching they'll get compared to the fatigue and injuries that the bigger teams will clock up.

I think there will be 'shock' results galore as the season rolls on.

Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Regroup and spend in January.
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I think there's money there left over from the summer (although the lack of sales was a bitch!)..... Big question-mark revolves around the right targets becoming available.

Sadly I don't see the dream RWB arriving before the summer.
 
He should play GIl against Bournemouth, we are so fucking predictable when we play, at least the kid is a livewire and is burning to get some mins.
 
Dr Rocktopus said:
I'd play Sarri and Spence too. Most of the team have played their way out of the side.
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Shadydan said:
He should play GIl against Bournemouth, we are so fucking predictable when we play, at least the kid is a livewire and is burning to get some mins.
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I just wish we had someone else available to play instead of Son on the opposite side so we didn't have to over-rely on Gil being the spark and to just ask him to add to something to an attack that is already partially functioning instead.

.....To many times these young and/or lesser played lads are played with the remit of fixing things. (Also see the expectation fans are placing on Spence and the playing of Scarlet last season with a badly performing team behind him.)
 
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