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Manager Antonio Conte

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Bollocks.

You tried using the Chelsea clip to highlight how good they were in comparison to us.

They're not, they don't move the ball quickly every game, hence my saying to show me other examples.

Every single team can take one passage of play in isolation to prove how "good" they are.
It means shit.

This was the original exchange;






But you continually try to deflect from this fact and move the goal posts.
When your assertion that they moved the ball from one end of the pitch to the other quicker than us proved to be complete bullshit you moved the goal posts to "more players" being involved.

Where was Chelsea's lovely, free flowing, end to end football yesterday ?
Non existent is the answer.


To reiterate my point ;

Taking one clip in isolation to prove anything is complete and utter bollocks.

Fuck it, I give up.
Every game or not every game- nothing changes fact that their example was from last game, ours was from last season.

Impossible to argue with someone who do not understand so very basic things.
so... fuck it. Let's leave it there.

I reiterate my point - our build up play is crap, we cant score from open play and it bugs me.
Case closed. Have a good day.
 
I doubt it.
Lenglet has big part to play in 1st goal. His 1-on-1 defending is questionable and I would not trust him CCB position.

Don’t disagree but the issue is when we have players like Sanchez and Emerson who are not good on the ball the team structure seems to not work. Lenglet at least makes our structure work and for the back line we have Lenglet, Davies and Dier as Romero is constantly injured.
 
you think dier does any better? i think the only one that does better in that situation is romero due to him being so aggressive.

Yes, I do think that Dier does better.
In fact if we look at the whole period of Conte being here, Dier has been quite good. With or without Romero on his side. Dier has made some mistakes in last 5-7 games, I agree, but Lenglet has been involved in 2 cockups in his last 2 games. His turning pace is something like 79' Volkswagen Caravelle .
 
Yes, I do think that Dier does better.
In fact if we look at the whole period of Conte being here, Dier has been quite good. With or without Romero on his side. Dier has made some mistakes in last 5-7 games, I agree, but Lenglet has been involved in 2 cockups in his last 2 games. His turning pace is something like 79' Volkswagen Caravelle .
so you think dier stops the attacker from laying it off to the winger? eric dier the one who likes to back off from attackers?
 
so you think dier stops the attacker from laying it off to the winger? eric dier the one who likes to back off from attackers?

Backing off but at least staying semi-close to attacker is better option than being a post that opposition player steps past, like we saw it in Newcastle game.

Look, there is no freaking argument here - if we look at Conte period as a whole, Dier has done well in defense. You may like it or not, but he has. Recent games team has been poor all around, that includes Dier. At the same time Lenglet has been here much shorter time, contributed less but made very prominent errors already. If question is - who I perfer to see play in CCB or who I prefer in any defensive position between Dier and Lenglet - then my choice is clear. I prefer Dier. He is far from perfect and he could be upgraded upon. But between the two I prefer Dier.
 
Backing off but at least staying semi-close to attacker is better option than being a post that opposition player steps past, like we saw it in Newcastle game.

Look, there is no freaking argument here - if we look at Conte period as a whole, Dier has done well in defense. You may like it or not, but he has. Recent games team has been poor all around, that includes Dier. At the same time Lenglet has been here much shorter time, contributed less but made very prominent errors already. If question is - who I perfer to see play in CCB or who I prefer in any defensive position between Dier and Lenglet - then my choice is clear. I prefer Dier. He is far from perfect and he could be upgraded upon. But between the two I prefer Dier.
but the only way a defender does better than lenglet in that position is by stopping the lay off? and youve just said dier would stand off, meaning he doesnt stop the lay off.

you think dier uses the ball better than lenglet? i dont think either are good at actual defending, no one at the club is, romero is the best and thats mainly down to him being the most aggressive.
 
but the only way a defender does better than lenglet in that position is by stopping the lay off? and youve just said dier would stand off, meaning he doesnt stop the lay off.

you think dier uses the ball better than lenglet? i dont think either are good at actual defending, no one at the club is, romero is the best and thats mainly down to him being the most aggressive.

Talking about being aggressive then yes - I think that in situations like one lead to opener in Sat game - situations like this Dier is more aggressive. When he is closer to half-way-line than to own goal, he goes in quite strongly (including to headers). Backing off happens closer to our goal I'd say.
So I think Dier is more combatitive / aggressive, yes.
And I generally think that at this moment in time, Dier is more aggressive and that Dier is better defender.
With ball at his feet / distribution Lenglet is better.
But when you weigh the two qualities, I think that Diers pro's outweigh Lenglet' ones.
 
I doubt it.
Lenglet has big part to play in 1st goal. His 1-on-1 defending is questionable and I would not trust him CCB position.
I personally think that Dier has done an ok job as CCB, partially because earlier on the whole team was pretty solid defensively which gave him a bigger margin for error, but let's not pretend that he's head in shoulders above Lenglet when it comes to one on one defending.

I struggle to think of any benefits that playing both Sanchez and Emerson on the right brings us. It just kills all play moving forward as neither can progress the ball. If anything, we inadvertently put more pressure on Dier as we keep turning over possession.
 
PSG just called btw......

They said they're definitely gonna sell their RB mid-season..... I said "are you sure?" and they said "Yeh, we're not worried about replacing him... It's all good bantz, innit monsieur".



Job's a good'n. :tanguythumb:
There are great future RB’s out there. It’s the scouts job to find them. We seem to have bagged a real gem at LB in Udogie but perhaps made a gaff with Djed Spence- he’s in no man’s land at the moment.
Emerson or Doherty are not the answer to our
Problem. It seems that Spence isn’t either. But where/ how do we snag an oven ready RB right now?
I’d love it if we could, but it seems unachievable in the very short term.
 
We won’t kick to the next level with anyone unless we have the best scouting and spend at least not a million miles off the likes off City, Chelsea, Newcastle etc. That’s a challenge bigger than just the manager unfortunately.

Main issue with changing from Conte to Poch is the systems need different players. We would need to buy elite young high energy players and more AM’s for Poch. So it’s a bigger transfer window next summer, from 4-5 new players for Conte to 7-8 new players for Poch.
Do you think Poch would want to owt our forward or midfield players? In his preferred 433, our current crop would suit him pretty well, it's our defenders that wouldn't.
 
Simply MUST start Spence vs Forest on the upcoming Nov 9. Otherwise needs to explain what is going on. From here it looks like he is alienating someone who should be a top prospect in their position.
 
I personally think that Dier has done an ok job as CCB, partially because earlier on the whole team was pretty solid defensively which gave him a bigger margin for error, but let's not pretend that he's head in shoulders above Lenglet when it comes to one on one defending.

I struggle to think of any benefits that playing both Sanchez and Emerson on the right brings us. It just kills all play moving forward as neither can progress the ball. If anything, we inadvertently put more pressure on Dier as we keep turning over possession.

Oh do not get me wrong - not for one second am I advocating starting Sanchez and Royal together.
In fact, Royal last ever contribution in our shirt should have been this tackle that saw him being sent off in NLD.

Whoever the RCB is, Sanchez should never start.

Coming back to Dier vs Lenglet... well, I agree - I would not say "head and shoulders above" but based on recent games I would say he is better still. In fact - coming back to Newcastle 2nd goal, I don't see so shit and slow one-on-one defending than Lenglet demonstrated since the time Gundogan put Saanchez on his arse and went to score easy goal...
 
Oh do not get me wrong - not for one second am I advocating starting Sanchez and Royal together.
In fact, Royal last ever contribution in our shirt should have been this tackle that saw him being sent off in NLD.

Whoever the RCB is, Sanchez should never start.

Coming back to Dier vs Lenglet... well, I agree - I would not say "head and shoulders above" but based on recent games I would say he is better still. In fact - coming back to Newcastle 2nd goal, I don't see so shit and slow one-on-one defending than Lenglet demonstrated since the time Gundogan put Saanchez on his arse and went to score easy goal...
Would be interesting which would be a more solid backline

Dier/Lenglet/Davies or Sanchez/Dier/Davies.

Either way its one that need reinforcing.
 

Video at the top, I had to write his quotes because the article didn't include them, pretty telling though, reading between the lines and in the context of the question asked (about players that got subbed on) this was his response.

Conte - "I think this experience this season, we have to learn a lot, because I hope next season that if we play in both the PL and CL, we need to try with all our possibility to improve the squad with quality and also in the numerical aspect.

Otherwise you risk to play with the same players every game this is not possible because the performance of this player start to go down and today I decided, before an important game in the CL on Thursday to make six changes, to give rest to the players who play every single game and I think this is the secret to have an important squad if we want to play the PL and CL in a decent way, otherwise you lose points because the PL is very very difficult, the intensity in this game today, we lost a lot of energy, mental energy, physical energy.


Pretty evident he wants more quality in the first team but also more quality on the bench for rotation because the players we have that started the game today, he doesn't trust to do the job, he just feels forced to play them so he can rest the others for the CL game.

What he said at the end about

"My players know me very well and for sure the team that wants to give up, is not my kind of team, we have to fight until the end and try to give out best, sometimes you can lose but they know, in every game they have to give me their best because that's what I do for them and also today (but NOT also today) they showed me many circumstances that they believe what we are doing and that we will never ever give up, never.

I think that's pretty telling, essentially saying that the players who came on second half believe in what he is doing but the players he started the game with showed that they are not fighting in the same way which is what many of us highlighted here.

Some of these players are players from other managers and from past squads and it shows and not in a good way, we need a rebuild of players who are all in on Conte and his system and our fans more importantly need to STOP blaming the manager and get behind him and hope he gets backed in the Jan and Summer windows.

Conte will bring us success imo but we need to get behind him and realise that some of these players simply are not good enough.

Yep fair assessment.

I get the impression Conte is unsure how the team will play on any given occasion

His post-match assessment kind of alluded to that.

He should have a semblance and indeed confidence in how the players are going to perform but it seems somewhat absent.

Tomorrow will be no different.
 
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